Dog killer may face eviction from Southend flat

10:00am Monday 30th July 2012 in South Essex news

Sent to prison – James Bray Sent to prison – James Bray

A MAN who threw his dog to its death from a tenth-storey window could be kicked out of his flat.

South Essex Homes is looking into whether it can prevent James Bray from returning to Sutton Court, Southend, after he leaves prison.

The Echo reported yesterday how Bray, 24, had been jailed for four months and banned from owning pets for life.

It came after he threw his Staffordshire bull terrier, Deano, out of the window of his home.

The animal died when it hit the ground.

Bray admitted three counts under the Animal Welfare Act.

He had previously brandished a samurai sword at a woman in the communal area of the block, and received a community order for possession of an offensive weapon.

Southend Magistrates’ Court heard he had mental health issues, but these had no influence on what he had done to the dog.

Simon Putt, group manager for finance and support service for South Essex Homes, said: “With regard to Mr Bray, we are currently seeking legal advice as to what action we can take regarding his tenancy.”

Comments (52)

10:19am Mon 30 Jul 12

rich.carol says...

When he comes out he could live in a stately home. He seems a real nice pillar of society. His parents must be so proud of him. What type of woman would want a relationship with him ? Who will talk to him again ? He should have been put down by a vet as he is the scummiest half human that's been in the echo this year. He is so hard and a top gangster throwing a poor dog out of a tower block. Hope someone deals propley with this scum in prison.
When he comes out he could live in a stately home. He seems a real nice pillar of society. His parents must be so proud of him. What type of woman would want a relationship with him ? Who will talk to him again ? He should have been put down by a vet as he is the scummiest half human that's been in the echo this year. He is so hard and a top gangster throwing a poor dog out of a tower block. Hope someone deals propley with this scum in prison. rich.carol

10:27am Mon 30 Jul 12

meldrew84 says...

"He had previously brandished a samurai sword at a woman in the communal area of the block, and received a community order for possession of an offensive weapon." So why hasn't he already been evicted?!!
STOP GIVING AFFORDABLE HOMES TO SCUMBAGS!!! Try giving them to the people that work hard and contribute in some way to society, not all these morons and scroungers that have drug and drink related "mental issues" ! They deserve nothing more than the gutter!
"He had previously brandished a samurai sword at a woman in the communal area of the block, and received a community order for possession of an offensive weapon." So why hasn't he already been evicted?!! STOP GIVING AFFORDABLE HOMES TO SCUMBAGS!!! Try giving them to the people that work hard and contribute in some way to society, not all these morons and scroungers that have drug and drink related "mental issues" ! They deserve nothing more than the gutter! meldrew84

10:40am Mon 30 Jul 12

howironic says...

When he is 'kicked' out of his flat, I'm hoping it's through the same window that poor dog went through
When he is 'kicked' out of his flat, I'm hoping it's through the same window that poor dog went through howironic

11:16am Mon 30 Jul 12

Green777 says...

This sort of scumbag should be put down
why could he not just have given the dog to the rcpca??? if he is allowed back they should throw him out of the window, show him the same consideration he showed the dog,Maybe give him a crash helmet to save the mess on the floor
This sort of scumbag should be put down why could he not just have given the dog to the rcpca??? if he is allowed back they should throw him out of the window, show him the same consideration he showed the dog,Maybe give him a crash helmet to save the mess on the floor Green777

12:08pm Mon 30 Jul 12

rich.carol says...

He will be a changed man with this very long sentence. If we got 8 weeks in a cat D prison playing snooker golf swimming sky tv 4 meals a day a phone we would be cured with this punishment. 8 weeks. Maybe the magistrate was bitten by a dog when he was young and hates animals. Come on 8 weeks. DISGUSTING
He will be a changed man with this very long sentence. If we got 8 weeks in a cat D prison playing snooker golf swimming sky tv 4 meals a day a phone we would be cured with this punishment. 8 weeks. Maybe the magistrate was bitten by a dog when he was young and hates animals. Come on 8 weeks. DISGUSTING rich.carol

12:11pm Mon 30 Jul 12

Duck Egg says...

He shouldn't be allowed on the streets!
He shouldn't be allowed on the streets! Duck Egg

12:46pm Mon 30 Jul 12

SUFC1906 says...

You'll probably find that the authorities are more likely to be considering moving him out because of Human Rights & Health & Safety of this scum. After all, what kind of reception will he be likely to get from locals & neighbours if he goes back to that flat block?
You'll probably find that the authorities are more likely to be considering moving him out because of Human Rights & Health & Safety of this scum. After all, what kind of reception will he be likely to get from locals & neighbours if he goes back to that flat block? SUFC1906

3:21pm Mon 30 Jul 12

JP1982 says...

Please leave him where he is, he's far away from me
Please leave him where he is, he's far away from me JP1982

4:24pm Mon 30 Jul 12

Alfiee says...

meldrew84 wrote:
"He had previously brandished a samurai sword at a woman in the communal area of the block, and received a community order for possession of an offensive weapon." So why hasn't he already been evicted?!!
STOP GIVING AFFORDABLE HOMES TO SCUMBAGS!!! Try giving them to the people that work hard and contribute in some way to society, not all these morons and scroungers that have drug and drink related "mental issues" ! They deserve nothing more than the gutter!
Could not agree with you anymore well said, I would love to be able to get affordable housing. 1 working in our household of 2 people. We just get by but people on benefits get it all. But they all have human rights don't they.

We are proud people and worked all our lives but get no help I so want to die before I become a pensioner and suffer like they all do now. So much wrong with everything now days.
I suppose the fight has gone. And peope like him get it all sad so sad.
[quote][p][bold]meldrew84[/bold] wrote: "He had previously brandished a samurai sword at a woman in the communal area of the block, and received a community order for possession of an offensive weapon." So why hasn't he already been evicted?!! STOP GIVING AFFORDABLE HOMES TO SCUMBAGS!!! Try giving them to the people that work hard and contribute in some way to society, not all these morons and scroungers that have drug and drink related "mental issues" ! They deserve nothing more than the gutter![/p][/quote]Could not agree with you anymore well said, I would love to be able to get affordable housing. 1 working in our household of 2 people. We just get by but people on benefits get it all. But they all have human rights don't they. We are proud people and worked all our lives but get no help I so want to die before I become a pensioner and suffer like they all do now. So much wrong with everything now days. I suppose the fight has gone. And peope like him get it all sad so sad. Alfiee

5:54pm Mon 30 Jul 12

meldrew84 says...

SUFC1906 wrote:
You'll probably find that the authorities are more likely to be considering moving him out because of Human Rights & Health & Safety of this scum. After all, what kind of reception will he be likely to get from locals & neighbours if he goes back to that flat block?
Spot on mate, they will probably give him a nice little bungalow now so that he can't throw any living thing from a high window! Boggles the mind!
[quote][p][bold]SUFC1906[/bold] wrote: You'll probably find that the authorities are more likely to be considering moving him out because of Human Rights & Health & Safety of this scum. After all, what kind of reception will he be likely to get from locals & neighbours if he goes back to that flat block?[/p][/quote]Spot on mate, they will probably give him a nice little bungalow now so that he can't throw any living thing from a high window! Boggles the mind! meldrew84

6:57pm Mon 30 Jul 12

bigboy57 says...

stop wasting your time with these comments he will be givin a new home in a different location a grant to furnish it and benifits because he cant work because of depresion
stop wasting your time with these comments he will be givin a new home in a different location a grant to furnish it and benifits because he cant work because of depresion bigboy57

7:27pm Mon 30 Jul 12

southendshrimper says...

I'll pack his bag & throw both bags & him out of the window. I'll take bets who will hit the ground first?
5/1 - Bags
2/1 - Scumbag
I'll pack his bag & throw both bags & him out of the window. I'll take bets who will hit the ground first? 5/1 - Bags 2/1 - Scumbag southendshrimper

8:36pm Mon 30 Jul 12

Cowpatrectus says...

It's great that the Echo has posted this slob's scum-face in the press for us all to see as well as his inmates (I'm sure there are some really nice animal lover prisoners inside!)
I can understand the local residents not wanting Bray to be living anywhere near them, but this should not be a cop-out reason for Mr Putt to protect Bray via some Human Rights Act & move him on as an anonymous person in an anonymous area. This would just be deplacing the problem by putting a scum-bag at large and putting other innocent residents at risk.
This slob should be held accountable for his unforgiveable act and face his responsabilities & present neighbours when he is out of prison.
We can only hope that the South Essex homes/ council stops wasting our hard earned taxes on moving and providing new accommodation for Bray. If he is moved, he should figure on a list (as paedophiles) as being an animal killer & potential threat to local residents (Samurai sword swayed in front of a woman). Future residents SHOULD be given some Human Rights & know who they could potentially be dealing with !
It's great that the Echo has posted this slob's scum-face in the press for us all to see as well as his inmates (I'm sure there are some really nice animal lover prisoners inside!) I can understand the local residents not wanting Bray to be living anywhere near them, but this should not be a cop-out reason for Mr Putt to protect Bray via some Human Rights Act & move him on as an anonymous person in an anonymous area. This would just be deplacing the problem by putting a scum-bag at large and putting other innocent residents at risk. This slob should be held accountable for his unforgiveable act and face his responsabilities & present neighbours when he is out of prison. We can only hope that the South Essex homes/ council stops wasting our hard earned taxes on moving and providing new accommodation for Bray. If he is moved, he should figure on a list (as paedophiles) as being an animal killer & potential threat to local residents (Samurai sword swayed in front of a woman). Future residents SHOULD be given some Human Rights & know who they could potentially be dealing with ! Cowpatrectus

9:24pm Mon 30 Jul 12

Cowpatrectus says...

If Bray is unable to face his responsabilities following his disgustingly short prison sentence & psychiatric report for his sordid mental issues (extreme cruelty towards a dog which resulted in death from a tenth floor high-rise & brandishing a Samurai sword at a local woman), he shouldn't be allowed back out in the Community anyway (re: new housing, anonymous area, anonymous identity, etc), but placed on a psychiatric unit -working150 community hours, being closesly assessed & monitored.
The Judge who has sentenced Bray should be wise to slobs who prey on sob stories in order to gain the minimal sentence & minimal amount of discomfort.
Organising new housing for Bray shouldn't be a priority (whilst he's in prison), but a detailed psychiatric disorder report should. The public at large need to know who they're dealing with.
We would all loathe imagining the scenario of Bray being let out too soon & letting down the public at large (in another area)by re-offending, but this time round committing an even more serious act !
Where would our Human Rights stand then ?!
If Bray is unable to face his responsabilities following his disgustingly short prison sentence & psychiatric report for his sordid mental issues (extreme cruelty towards a dog which resulted in death from a tenth floor high-rise & brandishing a Samurai sword at a local woman), he shouldn't be allowed back out in the Community anyway (re: new housing, anonymous area, anonymous identity, etc), but placed on a psychiatric unit -working150 community hours, being closesly assessed & monitored. The Judge who has sentenced Bray should be wise to slobs who prey on sob stories in order to gain the minimal sentence & minimal amount of discomfort. Organising new housing for Bray shouldn't be a priority (whilst he's in prison), but a detailed psychiatric disorder report should. The public at large need to know who they're dealing with. We would all loathe imagining the scenario of Bray being let out too soon & letting down the public at large (in another area)by re-offending, but this time round committing an even more serious act ! Where would our Human Rights stand then ?! Cowpatrectus

10:47pm Mon 30 Jul 12

speakout2 says...

What a pity that we don't operate 'Measure for Measure' for this sick version of a supposed human being. It's also a shame that he can't be locked up and the key be thrown out of the 10th floor of a block of flats and never be found! May he rot in hell or should I say cell. Hope the fellow inmates are animal lovers as Cowpatrectus touches upon and that they shove something painful up his rectum.
What a pity that we don't operate 'Measure for Measure' for this sick version of a supposed human being. It's also a shame that he can't be locked up and the key be thrown out of the 10th floor of a block of flats and never be found! May he rot in hell or should I say cell. Hope the fellow inmates are animal lovers as Cowpatrectus touches upon and that they shove something painful up his rectum. speakout2

11:12pm Mon 30 Jul 12

Youngmum21 says...

Lets just hope the scumbag never has any kids he can "teach a lesson" by throwing out the window.. What a complete waste of space!
Lets just hope the scumbag never has any kids he can "teach a lesson" by throwing out the window.. What a complete waste of space! Youngmum21

8:55am Tue 31 Jul 12

Brunning999 says...

James Bray does not own that property WE ALL DO.

Kick the scumbag out we should all face the consequences of our own selfish actions.

Perhaps we should chuck all his property out of he window also.
James Bray does not own that property WE ALL DO. Kick the scumbag out we should all face the consequences of our own selfish actions. Perhaps we should chuck all his property out of he window also. Brunning999

10:57am Tue 31 Jul 12

The Cater Wood Creeper says...

Give the keys to this odious person's flat to the bloke who has been reorted in this paper as being made homeless after a fire in his towerblock flat - problem solved.
Give the keys to this odious person's flat to the bloke who has been reorted in this paper as being made homeless after a fire in his towerblock flat - problem solved. The Cater Wood Creeper

4:31pm Tue 31 Jul 12

R85 says...

Youngmum21 wrote:
Lets just hope the scumbag never has any kids he can "teach a lesson" by throwing out the window.. What a complete waste of space!
Come off it, theres a bit of a difference between a human being (especially a baby or young child) and a dog. It is a totally heinous thing to do but just because somebody defenestrates a dog, it doesn’t mean they’d do it to a baby!
[quote][p][bold]Youngmum21[/bold] wrote: Lets just hope the scumbag never has any kids he can "teach a lesson" by throwing out the window.. What a complete waste of space![/p][/quote]Come off it, theres a bit of a difference between a human being (especially a baby or young child) and a dog. It is a totally heinous thing to do but just because somebody defenestrates a dog, it doesn’t mean they’d do it to a baby! R85

5:21pm Tue 31 Jul 12

Rebecca12 says...

What a dispicable human being.. just look at his face in the picture, he has absolutely no regret for what he had done to that poor defenceless dog.

R85 - You say that because he killed a dog, that it does not automatically mean that he would be a danger to children. Well, in some cases this may be the case but the thing is, whether it is a dog or a human is inconsequential to a lot of prolifically violent offenders, it is the total disregard for life.No conscious is no conscious. You only have to take a look at the backgrounds of some serial killers, proific volent offenders and so on to see that somewhere in their life they were either responsible for or witness to harm towards other living things including animals. Most progressed from hurting and killing animals to killing children and adults. Judging on the fact that he has previous for threatening and violent behaviour, or intimidaion, I would say that he gets some kind of kick out of scaring and harming and would myself say that THIS man is a danger to children. Just my opinion though.
What a dispicable human being.. just look at his face in the picture, he has absolutely no regret for what he had done to that poor defenceless dog. R85 - You say that because he killed a dog, that it does not automatically mean that he would be a danger to children. Well, in some cases this may be the case but the thing is, whether it is a dog or a human is inconsequential to a lot of prolifically violent offenders, it is the total disregard for life.No conscious is no conscious. You only have to take a look at the backgrounds of some serial killers, proific volent offenders and so on to see that somewhere in their life they were either responsible for or witness to harm towards other living things including animals. Most progressed from hurting and killing animals to killing children and adults. Judging on the fact that he has previous for threatening and violent behaviour, or intimidaion, I would say that he gets some kind of kick out of scaring and harming and would myself say that THIS man is a danger to children. Just my opinion though. Rebecca12

11:48pm Tue 31 Jul 12

Cowpatrectus says...

Mr Putt, I'm sure that many of your tenants are forging complaints & putting forward their concerns about Bray returning to Cluney Square following his stint in prison. I would feel as though this is totally normal. We all understand that you have a job to do by protecting the interests of your tenants within Essex Homes/ Council at Sutton Court.
Perhaps it is worth forgetting moving Bray to another branch of Essex Homes/ Council (Basildon, Crays, etc, etc). What does this really achieve bar putting the present local residents at ease & putting other locals at risk in the future (as well as the future boss- in your present position- in that area, who will have to deal with Bray). Does it make any sense?
If you do insist on moving him, the future local people should have a right to know that he is being housed in that area (for example: brandishing a Samurai sword in front of a woman & throwing a harmless dog out of a 10th floor high-rise).
Bray's psychiatric disorder: schizophrenic, bipolar) needs to be closely monitored & assessed as to whether he is a potential threat to people if allowed back into the Community after his prison sentence.
Most would have thought that following this very short stay in prison will not have even touched on this Primeval (it usually takes years...) and that so many unsolved personal psychiatric issues remain & need working on.
Bray could be gaining confidence & upping the mark (scaring & then harming). If Bray is a threat to Society & at large in 2-4 months time, and commits something worse, what will the judicial system say then ?
We all have statuary Human Rights.
Mr Putt, I'm sure that many of your tenants are forging complaints & putting forward their concerns about Bray returning to Cluney Square following his stint in prison. I would feel as though this is totally normal. We all understand that you have a job to do by protecting the interests of your tenants within Essex Homes/ Council at Sutton Court. Perhaps it is worth forgetting moving Bray to another branch of Essex Homes/ Council (Basildon, Crays, etc, etc). What does this really achieve bar putting the present local residents at ease & putting other locals at risk in the future (as well as the future boss- in your present position- in that area, who will have to deal with Bray). Does it make any sense? If you do insist on moving him, the future local people should have a right to know that he is being housed in that area (for example: brandishing a Samurai sword in front of a woman & throwing a harmless dog out of a 10th floor high-rise). Bray's psychiatric disorder: schizophrenic, bipolar) needs to be closely monitored & assessed as to whether he is a potential threat to people if allowed back into the Community after his prison sentence. Most would have thought that following this very short stay in prison will not have even touched on this Primeval (it usually takes years...) and that so many unsolved personal psychiatric issues remain & need working on. Bray could be gaining confidence & upping the mark (scaring & then harming). If Bray is a threat to Society & at large in 2-4 months time, and commits something worse, what will the judicial system say then ? We all have statuary Human Rights. Cowpatrectus

7:46am Wed 1 Aug 12

Lefty Cyclist Type says...

southendshrimper wrote:
I'll pack his bag & throw both bags & him out of the window. I'll take bets who will hit the ground first?
5/1 - Bags
2/1 - Scumbag
Actually if you throw both at the same time they'll hit the ground at the same time. All objects fall with the same velocity.


But the correct answer to your question of "who will hit the ground first?" is: Who cares?
[quote][p][bold]southendshrimper[/bold] wrote: I'll pack his bag & throw both bags & him out of the window. I'll take bets who will hit the ground first? 5/1 - Bags 2/1 - Scumbag[/p][/quote]Actually if you throw both at the same time they'll hit the ground at the same time. All objects fall with the same velocity. But the correct answer to your question of "who will hit the ground first?" is: Who cares? Lefty Cyclist Type

9:26am Wed 1 Aug 12

Micra1 says...

The dog was 8 years old and he had only owned it for 2 months. Who would let someone with obvious mental health issues have their dog?
The dog was 8 years old and he had only owned it for 2 months. Who would let someone with obvious mental health issues have their dog? Micra1

10:19am Wed 1 Aug 12

The Cater Wood Creeper says...

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:
southendshrimper wrote: I'll pack his bag & throw both bags & him out of the window. I'll take bets who will hit the ground first? 5/1 - Bags 2/1 - Scumbag
Actually if you throw both at the same time they'll hit the ground at the same time. All objects fall with the same velocity. But the correct answer to your question of "who will hit the ground first?" is: Who cares?
it's which hits it the hardest and makes the biggest splat that counts....
[quote][p][bold]Lefty Cyclist Type[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southendshrimper[/bold] wrote: I'll pack his bag & throw both bags & him out of the window. I'll take bets who will hit the ground first? 5/1 - Bags 2/1 - Scumbag[/p][/quote]Actually if you throw both at the same time they'll hit the ground at the same time. All objects fall with the same velocity. But the correct answer to your question of "who will hit the ground first?" is: Who cares?[/p][/quote]it's which hits it the hardest and makes the biggest splat that counts.... The Cater Wood Creeper

1:36pm Wed 1 Aug 12

jolllyboy says...

So why is a dog worth more than a human's life.
Prison for him but nothing for those in our hospitals who neglect patients.
So why is a dog worth more than a human's life. Prison for him but nothing for those in our hospitals who neglect patients. jolllyboy

11:40pm Wed 1 Aug 12

Cowpatrectus says...

It's just a fact that all Animal Rights Campaigners will protect & defend the interests of harmless loveable creatures.
If someone like Bray - who must be very mentally deranged - has stepped over the mark with such a cruel act towards his dog, then one could fully expect some comeback.
I'm with Southendshrimper on this: for throwing the scum bag out first with the bags to follow... the maximum splatter effect being the priority here. He certainly doesn't deserve a cushioned landing !
It's just a fact that all Animal Rights Campaigners will protect & defend the interests of harmless loveable creatures. If someone like Bray - who must be very mentally deranged - has stepped over the mark with such a cruel act towards his dog, then one could fully expect some comeback. I'm with Southendshrimper on this: for throwing the scum bag out first with the bags to follow... the maximum splatter effect being the priority here. He certainly doesn't deserve a cushioned landing ! Cowpatrectus

8:01am Thu 2 Aug 12

bazaarhorse says...

Having read all your comments, you are all no better than Bray. I've seen milder reaction after a child is killed. I wonder which one of you would have the nerve to actually throw him off the tenth floor ? I think a visit to Broadmoor hospital would suit a few of you.
Having read all your comments, you are all no better than Bray. I've seen milder reaction after a child is killed. I wonder which one of you would have the nerve to actually throw him off the tenth floor ? I think a visit to Broadmoor hospital would suit a few of you. bazaarhorse

8:54am Thu 2 Aug 12

Youngmum21 says...

R85- Theres alot of statistics that show if you are capable of killing an animal then you are heartless enough to kill a human being. Im pretty sure if you read this and then found out he had kids you and any other normal person would be thinking keep the kids far away from him. But anyway i was just making a simple comment i didnt think i would need to back my comment up. Im sure many loving parents would think the same.
R85- Theres alot of statistics that show if you are capable of killing an animal then you are heartless enough to kill a human being. Im pretty sure if you read this and then found out he had kids you and any other normal person would be thinking keep the kids far away from him. But anyway i was just making a simple comment i didnt think i would need to back my comment up. Im sure many loving parents would think the same. Youngmum21

9:03am Thu 2 Aug 12

Micra1 says...

bazaarhorse wrote:
Having read all your comments, you are all no better than Bray. I've seen milder reaction after a child is killed. I wonder which one of you would have the nerve to actually throw him off the tenth floor ? I think a visit to Broadmoor hospital would suit a few of you.
I totally agree with your comment, I can't believe that threatening posts like this are left on the site! Well if he does come to any harm after his release they will know who to question first!
[quote][p][bold]bazaarhorse[/bold] wrote: Having read all your comments, you are all no better than Bray. I've seen milder reaction after a child is killed. I wonder which one of you would have the nerve to actually throw him off the tenth floor ? I think a visit to Broadmoor hospital would suit a few of you.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with your comment, I can't believe that threatening posts like this are left on the site! Well if he does come to any harm after his release they will know who to question first! Micra1

1:03pm Thu 2 Aug 12

Happylass says...

I was returning from holiday on Aug 25th and had so wanted to see this evil baa-st'd sent down with a decent sentence. It should have been 4 years NOT 4 ruddy months. I cried my eyes out when I read the original report - that poor little dog never stood a chance. Even the stocks would be too good for him. Staffies are such wonderful dogs when treated with love and kindness. He will never have a chance to get near any of mine.
I was returning from holiday on Aug 25th and had so wanted to see this evil baa-st'd sent down with a decent sentence. It should have been 4 years NOT 4 ruddy months. I cried my eyes out when I read the original report - that poor little dog never stood a chance. Even the stocks would be too good for him. Staffies are such wonderful dogs when treated with love and kindness. He will never have a chance to get near any of mine. Happylass

9:48am Fri 3 Aug 12

BenfleetBarrel says...

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:
southendshrimper wrote: I'll pack his bag & throw both bags & him out of the window. I'll take bets who will hit the ground first? 5/1 - Bags 2/1 - Scumbag
Actually if you throw both at the same time they'll hit the ground at the same time. All objects fall with the same velocity. But the correct answer to your question of "who will hit the ground first?" is: Who cares?
Poppycock. A feather and a small stone of identical weight will not fall with the same velocity.
[quote][p][bold]Lefty Cyclist Type[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southendshrimper[/bold] wrote: I'll pack his bag & throw both bags & him out of the window. I'll take bets who will hit the ground first? 5/1 - Bags 2/1 - Scumbag[/p][/quote]Actually if you throw both at the same time they'll hit the ground at the same time. All objects fall with the same velocity. But the correct answer to your question of "who will hit the ground first?" is: Who cares?[/p][/quote]Poppycock. A feather and a small stone of identical weight will not fall with the same velocity. BenfleetBarrel

9:51am Fri 3 Aug 12

Chris Flunk says...

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:
southendshrimper wrote:
I'll pack his bag & throw both bags & him out of the window. I'll take bets who will hit the ground first?
5/1 - Bags
2/1 - Scumbag
Actually if you throw both at the same time they'll hit the ground at the same time. All objects fall with the same velocity.


But the correct answer to your question of "who will hit the ground first?" is: Who cares?
What rubbish, objects don't all fall with the same velocity. By that logic a man with a parachute would fall at the same rate as a man without a parachute.

I think you'll find terminal velocity is determined by the balance of gravity and air resistance/drag.
[quote][p][bold]Lefty Cyclist Type[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southendshrimper[/bold] wrote: I'll pack his bag & throw both bags & him out of the window. I'll take bets who will hit the ground first? 5/1 - Bags 2/1 - Scumbag[/p][/quote]Actually if you throw both at the same time they'll hit the ground at the same time. All objects fall with the same velocity. But the correct answer to your question of "who will hit the ground first?" is: Who cares?[/p][/quote]What rubbish, objects don't all fall with the same velocity. By that logic a man with a parachute would fall at the same rate as a man without a parachute. I think you'll find terminal velocity is determined by the balance of gravity and air resistance/drag. Chris Flunk

11:14pm Fri 3 Aug 12

Cowpatrectus says...

Micra1, don't believe for a minute that anyone on this entire planet could know who to question first (based on your assumptions). It could be much closer to home or indeed much further afield. Who can predict?
You clearly have very little understanding about Animal Rights Campaigners.
Micra1, don't believe for a minute that anyone on this entire planet could know who to question first (based on your assumptions). It could be much closer to home or indeed much further afield. Who can predict? You clearly have very little understanding about Animal Rights Campaigners. Cowpatrectus

11:33pm Fri 3 Aug 12

Cowpatrectus says...

I would feel as though Bray has dug himself a big hole this year. A big mistake. Animal abuse just isn't tolerated.
I would feel as though Bray has dug himself a big hole this year. A big mistake. Animal abuse just isn't tolerated. Cowpatrectus

11:54pm Fri 3 Aug 12

Cowpatrectus says...

Come on Micra1, you posted: "The dog was only eight years old & he (Bray) had only owned it for 2 months."
What do you really want to say?
You clearly knew Bray!
What do you really want to say? We live in a country that allows freedom of speech... go on, we're all listening. We all really need to understand.
Why did Bray defenestrate that poor harmless Staffy dog out of a 10th floor high-rise? What's your reasoning?
Could you èxplain because precise answers MUST be given to the public in this instance who feel so strongly about Animal Rights.
We all want to hear.
Come on Micra1, you posted: "The dog was only eight years old & he (Bray) had only owned it for 2 months." What do you really want to say? You clearly knew Bray! What do you really want to say? We live in a country that allows freedom of speech... go on, we're all listening. We all really need to understand. Why did Bray defenestrate that poor harmless Staffy dog out of a 10th floor high-rise? What's your reasoning? Could you èxplain because precise answers MUST be given to the public in this instance who feel so strongly about Animal Rights. We all want to hear. Cowpatrectus

12:08am Sat 4 Aug 12

Cowpatrectus says...

And Bazaarhorse, retire back to Broadmoor... you clearly don't have any understanding about this issue !
And Bazaarhorse, retire back to Broadmoor... you clearly don't have any understanding about this issue ! Cowpatrectus

12:23am Sat 4 Aug 12

Cowpatrectus says...

For those of you who have posted in defense of James Bray, a 24 year old with so-called mental problems, one can only come to one conclusion: That you are all cut from the same filthy cloth ! Um Shallah!
For those of you who have posted in defense of James Bray, a 24 year old with so-called mental problems, one can only come to one conclusion: That you are all cut from the same filthy cloth ! Um Shallah! Cowpatrectus

8:18pm Sat 4 Aug 12

Cowpatrectus says...

Thanks Bizaarhorse for enlightening us all a little more. One would gather that you too also know Bray. Broadmoor Hospital, I've just had a Google, it's one of three highly secure psychiatric hospital notorious for the criminally insane who are more than capable of murder & insanities of all kinds (makes for horrific reading of several personnalities).
If Bray is in this league, one can only hope that Justice sees sense & prevails to send Bray there following his very short sentence in prison.
Nobody would wish to have Bray, a potential menace, as their future neighbour in 2-4 months time.
Thanks Bizaarhorse for enlightening us all a little more. One would gather that you too also know Bray. Broadmoor Hospital, I've just had a Google, it's one of three highly secure psychiatric hospital notorious for the criminally insane who are more than capable of murder & insanities of all kinds (makes for horrific reading of several personnalities). If Bray is in this league, one can only hope that Justice sees sense & prevails to send Bray there following his very short sentence in prison. Nobody would wish to have Bray, a potential menace, as their future neighbour in 2-4 months time. Cowpatrectus

10:44pm Sat 4 Aug 12

Micra1 says...

Cowpatrectus wrote:
Come on Micra1, you posted: "The dog was only eight years old & he (Bray) had only owned it for 2 months."
What do you really want to say?
You clearly knew Bray!
What do you really want to say? We live in a country that allows freedom of speech... go on, we're all listening. We all really need to understand.
Why did Bray defenestrate that poor harmless Staffy dog out of a 10th floor high-rise? What's your reasoning?
Could you èxplain because precise answers MUST be given to the public in this instance who feel so strongly about Animal Rights.
We all want to hear.
The imformation was in a newspaper report which I read objectively and I believe what he did was abominable. That said the previous owner owns some responsibility for having left the dog in his care surely ?
[quote][p][bold]Cowpatrectus[/bold] wrote: Come on Micra1, you posted: "The dog was only eight years old & he (Bray) had only owned it for 2 months." What do you really want to say? You clearly knew Bray! What do you really want to say? We live in a country that allows freedom of speech... go on, we're all listening. We all really need to understand. Why did Bray defenestrate that poor harmless Staffy dog out of a 10th floor high-rise? What's your reasoning? Could you èxplain because precise answers MUST be given to the public in this instance who feel so strongly about Animal Rights. We all want to hear.[/p][/quote]The imformation was in a newspaper report which I read objectively and I believe what he did was abominable. That said the previous owner owns some responsibility for having left the dog in his care surely ? Micra1

10:53pm Sat 4 Aug 12

Cowpatrectus says...

Ok, thanx Micra, understood. It clearly was an abominable act. Do you know who the previous dog owner was & his reasons to give up a Staffy at 2 months old to Bray ?
Ok, thanx Micra, understood. It clearly was an abominable act. Do you know who the previous dog owner was & his reasons to give up a Staffy at 2 months old to Bray ? Cowpatrectus

10:56pm Sat 4 Aug 12

Micra1 says...

Cowpatrectus wrote:
For those of you who have posted in defense of James Bray, a 24 year old with so-called mental problems, one can only come to one conclusion: That you are all cut from the same filthy cloth ! Um Shallah!
I'm astounded by your audacity!!!
[quote][p][bold]Cowpatrectus[/bold] wrote: For those of you who have posted in defense of James Bray, a 24 year old with so-called mental problems, one can only come to one conclusion: That you are all cut from the same filthy cloth ! Um Shallah![/p][/quote]I'm astounded by your audacity!!! Micra1

11:00pm Sat 4 Aug 12

Cowpatrectus says...

And would you know why Bray defenestrated his Staffy out of the 10th floor? (his psychological reasons). Maybe you would have an in-site in to his reasoning?
And would you know why Bray defenestrated his Staffy out of the 10th floor? (his psychological reasons). Maybe you would have an in-site in to his reasoning? Cowpatrectus

11:08pm Sat 4 Aug 12

Cowpatrectus says...

You shouldn't be astounded by any audacity here, Micra1.. many people are looking to understand as to just how Bray could have thrown his dog from a 10th floor high-rise to his death?
We all need to understand.
You shouldn't be astounded by any audacity here, Micra1.. many people are looking to understand as to just how Bray could have thrown his dog from a 10th floor high-rise to his death? We all need to understand. Cowpatrectus

11:22pm Sat 4 Aug 12

Cowpatrectus says...

Could you give us an in-sight into his reasonoing?
Could you give us an in-sight into his reasonoing? Cowpatrectus

11:23pm Sat 4 Aug 12

Micra1 says...

Cowpatrectus wrote:
Ok, thanx Micra, understood. It clearly was an abominable act. Do you know who the previous dog owner was & his reasons to give up a Staffy at 2 months old to Bray ?
I think you would have a better chance of finding out that information as I live in a privately owned house in a different area and don't have as much spare time as you seem to have due to working full time. Let me know if you get anywhere.
[quote][p][bold]Cowpatrectus[/bold] wrote: Ok, thanx Micra, understood. It clearly was an abominable act. Do you know who the previous dog owner was & his reasons to give up a Staffy at 2 months old to Bray ?[/p][/quote]I think you would have a better chance of finding out that information as I live in a privately owned house in a different area and don't have as much spare time as you seem to have due to working full time. Let me know if you get anywhere. Micra1

11:45pm Sat 4 Aug 12

Cowpatrectus says...

Wrong, Micra1, I don't live anywhere near Cluney Square & also own my own property out of the country.
Maybe the Peta Organisation should become involved.
Wrong, Micra1, I don't live anywhere near Cluney Square & also own my own property out of the country. Maybe the Peta Organisation should become involved. Cowpatrectus

10:19pm Sun 5 Aug 12

Cowpatrectus says...

This one sentence merits our attentive analysis: "Southend Magistrates’ Court HEARD he had mental health issues, but these had no influence on what he had done to the dog."

It would appear that this is based on some kind of psychiartic report heard in Court. So what did ? Is this a cop-out sob-story to guarantee his freedom sooner than expected, instead of being placed & assessed in Broadmoor or such-like?
This particular issue needs to be explained more fully in the public eye, giving us an understanding of Bray's mental disorder as to why he committed this criminal act of cruelty throwing his dog out of a 10th floor high-rise.
I, as many others, sincerely hope that the press will be able divulge answers to this question, invaluable information giving clarity into Bray's mind.
This one sentence merits our attentive analysis: "Southend Magistrates’ Court HEARD he had mental health issues, but these had no influence on what he had done to the dog." It would appear that this is based on some kind of psychiartic report heard in Court. So what did ? Is this a cop-out sob-story to guarantee his freedom sooner than expected, instead of being placed & assessed in Broadmoor or such-like? This particular issue needs to be explained more fully in the public eye, giving us an understanding of Bray's mental disorder as to why he committed this criminal act of cruelty throwing his dog out of a 10th floor high-rise. I, as many others, sincerely hope that the press will be able divulge answers to this question, invaluable information giving clarity into Bray's mind. Cowpatrectus

1:41pm Tue 7 Aug 12

Tone-Fu says...

Let me get this straight; he brandished a sword at a person and got a poxy community order, then murdered a dog in the most heinous way imaginable and got four months. Four.

How's about someone gives this piece of detritus a proper sentence, or better still let someone chuck his fat arse out of a tenth storey window.

The law in this country is an ****. An absolute and total ****.
Let me get this straight; he brandished a sword at a person and got a poxy community order, then murdered a dog in the most heinous way imaginable and got four months. Four. How's about someone gives this piece of detritus a proper sentence, or better still let someone chuck his fat arse out of a tenth storey window. The law in this country is an ****. An absolute and total ****. Tone-Fu

1:42pm Tue 7 Aug 12

Tone-Fu says...

By the by, blanking out a popular word for a donkey seems a little bit like overkill.
By the by, blanking out a popular word for a donkey seems a little bit like overkill. Tone-Fu

10:21pm Sun 12 Aug 12

Cowpatrectus says...

Thank U Tone-Fu for your support, sorry about the overkill, but the stubborn mule boiled for a few days having read this dreadful article.
Thank U Tone-Fu for your support, sorry about the overkill, but the stubborn mule boiled for a few days having read this dreadful article. Cowpatrectus

1:06am Thu 16 Aug 12

Alec Cikes says...

This guy, James Bray, definitely needs to be stopped in his tracks. He's done more than wrong & must face his consequences in Court.
How could he have thrown his lovely little staffy dog from his tenth-floor high-rise to death ?!
This guy needs to learn a few home truths about his dealings in life ! I really hope he gets his just deserts in prison (as a very sordid animal killer!!) That's exactly what he is. No heart.
This guy, James Bray, definitely needs to be stopped in his tracks. He's done more than wrong & must face his consequences in Court. How could he have thrown his lovely little staffy dog from his tenth-floor high-rise to death ?! This guy needs to learn a few home truths about his dealings in life ! I really hope he gets his just deserts in prison (as a very sordid animal killer!!) That's exactly what he is. No heart. Alec Cikes

1:06am Thu 16 Aug 12

Alec Cikes says...

This guy, James Bray, definitely needs to be stopped in his tracks. He's done more than wrong & must face his consequences in Court.
How could he have thrown his lovely little staffy dog from his tenth-floor high-rise to death ?!
This guy needs to learn a few home truths about his dealings in life ! I really hope he gets his just deserts in prison (as a very sordid animal killer!!) That's exactly what he is. No heart.
This guy, James Bray, definitely needs to be stopped in his tracks. He's done more than wrong & must face his consequences in Court. How could he have thrown his lovely little staffy dog from his tenth-floor high-rise to death ?! This guy needs to learn a few home truths about his dealings in life ! I really hope he gets his just deserts in prison (as a very sordid animal killer!!) That's exactly what he is. No heart. Alec Cikes

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