Community tip-off leads to drug den on Canvey (From Braintree and Witham Times)

R85 wrote:
How can cannabis possibly be illegal when alcohol is not? Alcohol has been proven to be more harmful than cannabis! On top of this alcohol causes aggression and cannabis causes relaxation! Why one is legal and the other is not is beyond comprehension! Alcohol is a drug and nicotine is one of the most harmful substances on Earth (plus Nicotine is THE most addictive substance on Earth, full-stop). I just can’t understand why drink & extremely addictive fags are legal and this isn’t!

Mudlark1 wrote:
Might be worth reading up a little on the subject R85. Even the Dutch admit how harmful the affects of cannabis is, a report from a mental health hospital close to the mecca of legal cannabis reports 86% of its outpatients patients are cannabis related cases, it goes on to say how detatched these people have become from society due to the affects of Cannabis use, this is an admission of the patients themselves. While I agree with your view on Alchohol and fags cannabis also has its place amongst them, making it legal would only send out a message that its ok to use when in fact it isnt.

R85 wrote:

Mudlark1 wrote: Might be worth reading up a little on the subject R85. Even the Dutch admit how harmful the affects of cannabis is, a report from a mental health hospital close to the mecca of legal cannabis reports 86% of its outpatients patients are cannabis related cases, it goes on to say how detatched these people have become from society due to the affects of Cannabis use, this is an admission of the patients themselves. While I agree with your view on Alchohol and fags cannabis also has its place amongst them, making it legal would only send out a message that its ok to use when in fact it isnt.

I didn’t say it wasn’t harmful at all, of course it’s clearly harmful!? I just said that Alcohol and fags are MORE harmful, so either alcohol and fags should be made illegal or cannabis should be legal! It is completely illogical that drink n fags are legal whilst cannabis isn’t! Thousands and thousands of times more people die from alcohol poisoning, cirrhosis, drunk accidents, drunken street attacks and countless other reasons than have ever died from cannabis –! If you’re talking about mental health then what about the depression that alcohol withdrawal can have for some who aren’t even alcoholics (but who drink regularly). What about the stress smokers feel when they haven’t had a fag?? All three are harmful but all three should be legal!!! This is a democracy – don’t the majority (that aren’t simply following government indoctrination) want it legal?

the civilised world

The Cater Wood Creeper wrote:

the civilised world

where's that?

billericay boy wrote:
I wonder if they will put the plants in the Museums along with the flood sirens.

asbo foundation wrote:
our lives are so hollow and empty we need to escape the mundanity of our own existence - yeah. high five me untruth

Algus wrote:

asbo foundation wrote:
our lives are so hollow and empty we need to escape the mundanity of our own existence - yeah. high five me untruth

Like you need alcohol to blah blah blah, your opinions are worthless because you know nothing whatsoever. Isn't it time you went back down the mines?

Last Poster wrote:
Of Course Cannabis is harmless. My young grandson has been "Introduced" to this totally harmless compound. He is not addicted and is only into crime the way he is to pay for the "Monster" soft drink he has to have when he can't get the weed. A perfectly nice, decent lad who's only vice was football until he met Mr. Pusher and his persuasive ways.

Much the same as I was never addicted to alcohol and could take it or leave it, much the same as I only drank socially and I even drove better when I'd had a few and of course, I knew my limits! Luckily for me, they brought out the breathalyser and I saw the writing on the wall and stopped drinking. My heart attack stopped me smoking shortly after that. Yes of course I am a dinosaur and know next to nothing compared to the modern young sages who know everything.
Perhaps they can tell me why that phrase sounds so familiar?

asbo foundation wrote:

Algus wrote:

asbo foundation wrote: our lives are so hollow and empty we need to escape the mundanity of our own existence - yeah. high five me untruth

Like you need alcohol to blah blah blah, your opinions are worthless because you know nothing whatsoever. Isn't it time you went back down the mines?

when did i ever extol the harmless, virtuous qualities of alcohol? ah yes that'll be the hadleigh keyboard of drivel

Last Poster wrote:
Of Course Cannabis is harmless. My young grandson has been "Introduced" to this totally harmless compound. He is not addicted and is only into crime the way he is to pay for the "Monster" soft drink he has to have when he can't get the weed. A perfectly nice, decent lad who's only vice was football until he met Mr. Pusher and his persuasive ways. Much the same as I was never addicted to alcohol and could take it or leave it, much the same as I only drank socially and I even drove better when I'd had a few and of course, I knew my limits! Luckily for me, they brought out the breathalyser and I saw the writing on the wall and stopped drinking. My heart attack stopped me smoking shortly after that. Yes of course I am a dinosaur and know next to nothing compared to the modern young sages who know everything. Perhaps they can tell me why that phrase sounds so familiar?

Algus wrote:

asbo foundation wrote:

Algus wrote:

asbo foundation wrote: our lives are so hollow and empty we need to escape the mundanity of our own existence - yeah. high five me untruth

Like you need alcohol to blah blah blah, your opinions are worthless because you know nothing whatsoever. Isn't it time you went back down the mines?

when did i ever extol the harmless, virtuous qualities of alcohol? ah yes that'll be the hadleigh keyboard of drivel

You HAVE admitted overdoing the alcohol on here so don't deny it. Liar.

Algus wrote:

Last Poster wrote:
Of Course Cannabis is harmless. My young grandson has been "Introduced" to this totally harmless compound. He is not addicted and is only into crime the way he is to pay for the "Monster" soft drink he has to have when he can't get the weed. A perfectly nice, decent lad who's only vice was football until he met Mr. Pusher and his persuasive ways. Much the same as I was never addicted to alcohol and could take it or leave it, much the same as I only drank socially and I even drove better when I'd had a few and of course, I knew my limits! Luckily for me, they brought out the breathalyser and I saw the writing on the wall and stopped drinking. My heart attack stopped me smoking shortly after that. Yes of course I am a dinosaur and know next to nothing compared to the modern young sages who know everything. Perhaps they can tell me why that phrase sounds so familiar?

Then either your grandson is one of the miniscule number of people who don't get on with the weed, just as some don't get on with alcohol, or you are looking through rose tinted specs. No-one commits crimes because of weed, it's cheap as chips in case you don't know, and it's not addictive in the physical sense like alcohol, heroin, nicotine etc. Are you sure your grandson is such a paragon of virtue cos to be frank, I doubt it. Btw me and all my friends have been toking since the sixties with NO PROBLEMS whatsoever. Now all our children and our grandchildren toke (not encouraged, they just do it as most kids do), again with no problems, and we'd rather they did that than drink alcohol because the dangers of alcohol are SO MUCH GREATER! Roll on decriminalisation, it is inevitable.

Algus wrote:

Last Poster wrote:
Of Course Cannabis is harmless. My young grandson has been "Introduced" to this totally harmless compound. He is not addicted and is only into crime the way he is to pay for the "Monster" soft drink he has to have when he can't get the weed. A perfectly nice, decent lad who's only vice was football until he met Mr. Pusher and his persuasive ways. Much the same as I was never addicted to alcohol and could take it or leave it, much the same as I only drank socially and I even drove better when I'd had a few and of course, I knew my limits! Luckily for me, they brought out the breathalyser and I saw the writing on the wall and stopped drinking. My heart attack stopped me smoking shortly after that. Yes of course I am a dinosaur and know next to nothing compared to the modern young sages who know everything. Perhaps they can tell me why that phrase sounds so familiar?

Then either your grandson is one of the miniscule number of people who don't get on with the weed, just as some don't get on with alcohol, or you are looking through rose tinted specs. No-one commits crimes because of weed, it's cheap as chips in case you don't know, and it's not addictive in the physical sense like alcohol, heroin, nicotine etc. Are you sure your grandson is such a paragon of virtue cos to be frank, I doubt it. Btw me and all my friends have been toking since the sixties with NO PROBLEMS whatsoever. Now all our children and our grandchildren toke (not encouraged, they just do it as most kids do), again with no problems, and we'd rather they did that than drink alcohol because the dangers of alcohol are SO MUCH GREATER! Roll on decriminalisation, it is inevitable.

whataloadofbull wrote:
i am a former cannabis user (gave up 6 months ago) after smoking.it.for nearly 25 years, this will harm u in the long term mentally without any signs until it happens.

i am slowly getting back to normal and anyone who thinks it isn't doing them any harm is delusional due to using it, my mental state before i gave up waant great such as memory loss, anger if i didnt have any, withdrawing from conversations with other people (only association with other users does this).

i am glad i gave up and can see the difference in myself confindence has grown and mental ability to retain information has improved.

Algus wrote:
Waffle on dough brain

Last Poster wrote:

Algus wrote:

Last Poster wrote:
Of Course Cannabis is harmless. My young grandson has been "Introduced" to this totally harmless compound. He is not addicted and is only into crime the way he is to pay for the "Monster" soft drink he has to have when he can't get the weed. A perfectly nice, decent lad who's only vice was football until he met Mr. Pusher and his persuasive ways. Much the same as I was never addicted to alcohol and could take it or leave it, much the same as I only drank socially and I even drove better when I'd had a few and of course, I knew my limits! Luckily for me, they brought out the breathalyser and I saw the writing on the wall and stopped drinking. My heart attack stopped me smoking shortly after that. Yes of course I am a dinosaur and know next to nothing compared to the modern young sages who know everything. Perhaps they can tell me why that phrase sounds so familiar?

Then either your grandson is one of the miniscule number of people who don't get on with the weed, just as some don't get on with alcohol, or you are looking through rose tinted specs. No-one commits crimes because of weed, it's cheap as chips in case you don't know, and it's not addictive in the physical sense like alcohol, heroin, nicotine etc. Are you sure your grandson is such a paragon of virtue cos to be frank, I doubt it. Btw me and all my friends have been toking since the sixties with NO PROBLEMS whatsoever. Now all our children and our grandchildren toke (not encouraged, they just do it as most kids do), again with no problems, and we'd rather they did that than drink alcohol because the dangers of alcohol are SO MUCH GREATER! Roll on decriminalisation, it is inevitable.

Well well! You defend the indefensible! You do not know my grandson neither do you know if I wear glasses. You also assume far too much! "Me and all my friends" shows how the basics of grammar escape you. I take it that's because your mind was so sharpened with the brain improving substance. Probably carrying the heavenly perfume of nectar cheerily known as "Skunk". However, the vigorous way you have attempted to defend this "New money machine" (Source of so much wealth for the underclass) leads me to suspect that you may be benefitting from your nectar in more ways than having a quiet smoke! I seem to recall that the current price of baggies of that brain adjuster is around the £12 mark. Perhaps with the financial crisis abounding, this is one item that has gone down in price? Are you not just a tad suspicious that your smart know it all attitude may be fulfilling the wishes of this right-wing succession of governments we have had for some time? When they really perceive a problem with law and order they act swift and sure (look at the "Riots" we recently underwent) the over-reaction to that, for instance: throwing a family out of their house because one child there stole a bottle of water?
If they were to legalize your addiction it would stop being an addiction and that simply would not fit their programme! Welcome to your new, smarter world, zombie!

muffindamule wrote:
Those really are very big baggies.

doasilikey wrote:

muffindamule wrote:
Those really are very big baggies.

Nose baggies.

Algus wrote:

Last Poster wrote:
Of Course Cannabis is harmless. My young grandson has been "Introduced" to this totally harmless compound. He is not addicted and is only into crime the way he is to pay for the "Monster" soft drink he has to have when he can't get the weed. A perfectly nice, decent lad who's only vice was football until he met Mr. Pusher and his persuasive ways. Much the same as I was never addicted to alcohol and could take it or leave it, much the same as I only drank socially and I even drove better when I'd had a few and of course, I knew my limits! Luckily for me, they brought out the breathalyser and I saw the writing on the wall and stopped drinking. My heart attack stopped me smoking shortly after that. Yes of course I am a dinosaur and know next to nothing compared to the modern young sages who know everything. Perhaps they can tell me why that phrase sounds so familiar?

Then either your grandson is one of the miniscule number of people who don't get on with the weed, just as some don't get on with alcohol, or you are looking through rose tinted specs. No-one commits crimes because of weed, it's cheap as chips in case you don't know, and it's not addictive in the physical sense like alcohol, heroin, nicotine etc. Are you sure your grandson is such a paragon of virtue cos to be frank, I doubt it. Btw me and all my friends have been toking since the sixties with NO PROBLEMS whatsoever. Now all our children and our grandchildren toke (not encouraged, they just do it as most kids do), again with no problems, and we'd rather they did that than drink alcohol because the dangers of alcohol are SO MUCH GREATER! Roll on decriminalisation, it is inevitable.

Algus wrote:
The ignorance displayed in some of these posts is mind boggling, how many times do you lot have to be told, even by the medical profession, that cannabis is not physically addictive, only psychologically addictive in the same way as some weak minded individuals get addicted to chocolate. Also, whataloadofbull yes you can overdo it in the same way that some people overdo using alcohol. Doesn't change a thing, cannabis is everywhere and has been for the last forty years and nothing any of you lot say or do will change that because prohibition, especially morally indefensible prohibition will never work. And the results of the social attitudes surveys say it all, the MAJORITY of the British public would now agree to decriminalisation and that trend is clearly increasing so its going to happen. Last Poster you are an idiot, bet pounds to peanuts your grandson is not the paragon of virtue you think he is, take off your rose tinted specs! Oh and btw, I happen to be a highly paid professional with a dozen letters after my name who has held down a very, very responsible job for decades so the odd toke has done me no harm whatsoever wheras my colleagues who prefer alcohol have clearly been damaged by their drug of choice over the same time frame. Why do you lot think most cannabis smokers choose cannabis? It's partly because cannabis does a LOT less harm than alcohol. Didn't your Mum tell you not to express your worthless opinions until you know something about the subject.

Mudlark1 wrote:

Algus wrote:

Last Poster wrote:
Of Course Cannabis is harmless. My young grandson has been "Introduced" to this totally harmless compound. He is not addicted and is only into crime the way he is to pay for the "Monster" soft drink he has to have when he can't get the weed. A perfectly nice, decent lad who's only vice was football until he met Mr. Pusher and his persuasive ways. Much the same as I was never addicted to alcohol and could take it or leave it, much the same as I only drank socially and I even drove better when I'd had a few and of course, I knew my limits! Luckily for me, they brought out the breathalyser and I saw the writing on the wall and stopped drinking. My heart attack stopped me smoking shortly after that. Yes of course I am a dinosaur and know next to nothing compared to the modern young sages who know everything. Perhaps they can tell me why that phrase sounds so familiar?

Then either your grandson is one of the miniscule number of people who don't get on with the weed, just as some don't get on with alcohol, or you are looking through rose tinted specs. No-one commits crimes because of weed, it's cheap as chips in case you don't know, and it's not addictive in the physical sense like alcohol, heroin, nicotine etc. Are you sure your grandson is such a paragon of virtue cos to be frank, I doubt it. Btw me and all my friends have been toking since the sixties with NO PROBLEMS whatsoever. Now all our children and our grandchildren toke (not encouraged, they just do it as most kids do), again with no problems, and we'd rather they did that than drink alcohol because the dangers of alcohol are SO MUCH GREATER! Roll on decriminalisation, it is inevitable.

Quote:: No-one commits crimes because of weed,
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Try telling that to the guy who just had his rented house wrecked thanks to growers. Oh and the electricity theft to run the hydroponics, lights and ventilation fans. Then there are those that will maim, threaten, or even kill those because of turf wars over who has the right to sell weed in what area.
Add the illegal immagrants that are brought in from overseas to man these grow houses and the crime that you claim is never commited from weed starts to add up.
When you say you'd rather have your kids smoke weed rather then alcohol. Are you really that naieve?. How about you educate your brood into the dangers of drugs full stop, alcohol, weed etc rather then endorse them into smoking the weed as the better of the two evils. Do you really believe that they wont touch alcohol because they smoke the weed? the trick is to educate them of the dangers because its the right thing for any parent to do and not give them a compromise.
If you catch your kids playing with a sharp knife what do you do take it away and give them a blunt one instead? The outcome is the same if you fall on either.

muffindamule wrote:
@ Algus "If cannabis was that harmful our hospitals would be full of cannabis casulaties but they are not." That, Algus, is a very good point indeed !

asbo foundation wrote:
not in your lifetime i'm afraid. the last thing we need is a govt green light to be monged out 24/7

Algus wrote:
Most of the opinions on here are worthless because most of you lot know nothing whatsoever about cannabis. If there is any criminality connected with cannabis it is CAUSED BY THE FACT THAT IT IS CURRENTLY ILLEGAL! If it was legal there wouldn't be any gangsters making money out of it/ It's the same as alcohol prohibition was in the States. Oh, and Monkeytennis MILLIONS of people smoke cannabis in this country with NO HARM WHATSOEVER, even the Govts own drugs advisor admits cannabis is LESS HARMFUL than alcohol and tobacco, and that's a fact! The latest extimates are that there are 7 or 8 million regular smokers and up to 30 million who have used cannabis at one time or another. If cannabis was that harmful our hospitals would be full of cannabis casulaties but they are not. Get real you morons.

Algus wrote:

asbo foundation wrote:
not in your lifetime i'm afraid. the last thing we need is a govt green light to be monged out 24/7

Your opinion counts for nothing as you know nothing about this subject. Now be a good boy and b***** off before I get your new account deleted.

Mudlark1 wrote:

Algus wrote: Most of the opinions on here are worthless because most of you lot know nothing whatsoever about cannabis. If there is any criminality connected with cannabis it is CAUSED BY THE FACT THAT IT IS CURRENTLY ILLEGAL! If it was legal there wouldn't be any gangsters making money out of it/ It's the same as alcohol prohibition was in the States. Oh, and Monkeytennis MILLIONS of people smoke cannabis in this country with NO HARM WHATSOEVER, even the Govts own drugs advisor admits cannabis is LESS HARMFUL than alcohol and tobacco, and that's a fact! The latest extimates are that there are 7 or 8 million regular smokers and up to 30 million who have used cannabis at one time or another. If cannabis was that harmful our hospitals would be full of cannabis casulaties but they are not. Get real you morons.

But you said Quote::: No-one commits crimes because of weed. ** I merely pointed out you are wrong!! And do you really think if it was made legal that those criminal acts will all of a sudden stop? There are just as many arguments against legalisation of cannabis as there is for, I don't blame you for swaying on the fores because you indulge in it so its understandable, I would suggest though you view the bigger picture and stop believing that legalising it would make all the bad things associate with it go away, NEWSFLASH! because they wont!!! And why the need for insults because people disagree with you?

Algus wrote:

Mudlark1 wrote:

Algus wrote: Most of the opinions on here are worthless because most of you lot know nothing whatsoever about cannabis. If there is any criminality connected with cannabis it is CAUSED BY THE FACT THAT IT IS CURRENTLY ILLEGAL! If it was legal there wouldn't be any gangsters making money out of it/ It's the same as alcohol prohibition was in the States. Oh, and Monkeytennis MILLIONS of people smoke cannabis in this country with NO HARM WHATSOEVER, even the Govts own drugs advisor admits cannabis is LESS HARMFUL than alcohol and tobacco, and that's a fact! The latest extimates are that there are 7 or 8 million regular smokers and up to 30 million who have used cannabis at one time or another. If cannabis was that harmful our hospitals would be full of cannabis casulaties but they are not. Get real you morons.

But you said Quote::: No-one commits crimes because of weed. ** I merely pointed out you are wrong!! And do you really think if it was made legal that those criminal acts will all of a sudden stop? There are just as many arguments against legalisation of cannabis as there is for, I don't blame you for swaying on the fores because you indulge in it so its understandable, I would suggest though you view the bigger picture and stop believing that legalising it would make all the bad things associate with it go away, NEWSFLASH! because they wont!!! And why the need for insults because people disagree with you?

Idiot you are the one who is wrong. Go read up on prohibition, when alcohol was legalised the gangsters evaporated away to make their ill gotten gains somewhere else. And the arguments for and against legalisation are NOT equal as you would know if you actually knew anything about the subject. Sorry to tell you this but you won't learn the truth reading the Sun newspaper. . Haven't you seen the news Asbo? Asbos are being abolished so goodbye.

Mudlark1 wrote:

Algus wrote:

Mudlark1 wrote:

Algus wrote: Most of the opinions on here are worthless because most of you lot know nothing whatsoever about cannabis. If there is any criminality connected with cannabis it is CAUSED BY THE FACT THAT IT IS CURRENTLY ILLEGAL! If it was legal there wouldn't be any gangsters making money out of it/ It's the same as alcohol prohibition was in the States. Oh, and Monkeytennis MILLIONS of people smoke cannabis in this country with NO HARM WHATSOEVER, even the Govts own drugs advisor admits cannabis is LESS HARMFUL than alcohol and tobacco, and that's a fact! The latest extimates are that there are 7 or 8 million regular smokers and up to 30 million who have used cannabis at one time or another. If cannabis was that harmful our hospitals would be full of cannabis casulaties but they are not. Get real you morons.

But you said Quote::: No-one commits crimes because of weed. ** I merely pointed out you are wrong!! And do you really think if it was made legal that those criminal acts will all of a sudden stop? There are just as many arguments against legalisation of cannabis as there is for, I don't blame you for swaying on the fores because you indulge in it so its understandable, I would suggest though you view the bigger picture and stop believing that legalising it would make all the bad things associate with it go away, NEWSFLASH! because they wont!!! And why the need for insults because people disagree with you?

Idiot you are the one who is wrong. Go read up on prohibition, when alcohol was legalised the gangsters evaporated away to make their ill gotten gains somewhere else. And the arguments for and against legalisation are NOT equal as you would know if you actually knew anything about the subject. Sorry to tell you this but you won't learn the truth reading the Sun newspaper. . Haven't you seen the news Asbo? Asbos are being abolished so goodbye.

There you go again, name calling because someone has shown you to be wrong!! ** Think what you want dear boy, definition of an idiot can be many things but one sure meaning is a parent that endorses illegal drug taking to his children because they think it will stop them from drinking alcohol. Pure Genius!! People often ask what is wrong with society these days, some would say, blame the parents, in your case I think that is fitting!! Is there such a thing as common sense in your world of drug enhanced eutopia?

asbo foundation wrote:
the addict's letters after name are ATOOPI (Another Toys Out Of Pram Incident)

Algus wrote:

Mudlark1 wrote:

Algus wrote:

Mudlark1 wrote:

Algus wrote: Most of the opinions on here are worthless because most of you lot know nothing whatsoever about cannabis. If there is any criminality connected with cannabis it is CAUSED BY THE FACT THAT IT IS CURRENTLY ILLEGAL! If it was legal there wouldn't be any gangsters making money out of it/ It's the same as alcohol prohibition was in the States. Oh, and Monkeytennis MILLIONS of people smoke cannabis in this country with NO HARM WHATSOEVER, even the Govts own drugs advisor admits cannabis is LESS HARMFUL than alcohol and tobacco, and that's a fact! The latest extimates are that there are 7 or 8 million regular smokers and up to 30 million who have used cannabis at one time or another. If cannabis was that harmful our hospitals would be full of cannabis casulaties but they are not. Get real you morons.

But you said Quote::: No-one commits crimes because of weed. ** I merely pointed out you are wrong!! And do you really think if it was made legal that those criminal acts will all of a sudden stop? There are just as many arguments against legalisation of cannabis as there is for, I don't blame you for swaying on the fores because you indulge in it so its understandable, I would suggest though you view the bigger picture and stop believing that legalising it would make all the bad things associate with it go away, NEWSFLASH! because they wont!!! And why the need for insults because people disagree with you?

Idiot you are the one who is wrong. Go read up on prohibition, when alcohol was legalised the gangsters evaporated away to make their ill gotten gains somewhere else. And the arguments for and against legalisation are NOT equal as you would know if you actually knew anything about the subject. Sorry to tell you this but you won't learn the truth reading the Sun newspaper. . Haven't you seen the news Asbo? Asbos are being abolished so goodbye.

There you go again, name calling because someone has shown you to be wrong!! ** Think what you want dear boy, definition of an idiot can be many things but one sure meaning is a parent that endorses illegal drug taking to his children because they think it will stop them from drinking alcohol. Pure Genius!! People often ask what is wrong with society these days, some would say, blame the parents, in your case I think that is fitting!! Is there such a thing as common sense in your world of drug enhanced eutopia?

You truly are a moron Mudlark, where have you proved anything I said was wrong? Answer nowhere. And where did I say I "endorse" children using drugs? Answer nowhere. What I said was we do NOT encourage it. We tolerate it (but don't allow them to toke openly in the house) for several reasons, firstly because cannabis is considerably less harmful than alcohol (got that?). Also because all their friends also toke so we couldn't stop it even if we wanted to (btw my youngest son is 22 and doing a Masters at Uni and my eldest grandson is 19 and still at college so technically both adults ok). Truth is MOST kids have used cannabis (see the surveys) but most do not let their parents know they are doing it. Ours are more honest which means we can give them advice although truth be known most teenagers know a lot more about drugs than their parents. Most people we know with kids are in exactly the same position and we have all found that truth and honesty is a much better philosophy than sweeping it under the carpet. Bet you have a few letters after your name too, probably "can't learn, won't learn, lets play ostriches", which does not work, the only people we know who have taken that attitude have kids who went right off the rails where ours haven't. Bet you don't learn anything from this though cos you obviously get your knowledge from the Sun newspaper.

Algus wrote:
Oops typo, piunt should have been point.
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And my grandson is 19 and doing an extra year at college you tw@t. Can't you read?

asbo foundation wrote:

Algus wrote: Oops typo, piunt should have been point. . And my grandson is 19 and doing an extra year at college you tw@t. Can't you read?

lol ATOOPI. looks like you were unable to keep it in your pants untruth. excess demon seed? time to give up the cheap thrills grandad. the midlife crisis should be furry dice.

Algus wrote:
Oh boy you are some imbecile, you get it all wrong.
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The only crimes around cannabis are caused by the fact it is illegal! No-one gets muggesd by a cannabis user because they need a weed fix, Laughable.
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I have already said we DO point out the dangers of cannabis. And if you knew anything about this you would know that tokers tend NOT to drink and vice versa. Got that?
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I never said 100% of kids toke did I? However, all surveys since the 60s have said the majority of kids have tried cannabis, but thats only the ones who admit it. Don't you think some would lie and say they dont? Incidentally if you had been smart enough to go to Uni yourself you would know that it is almost a traditional rite of passage, they all do it at Uni matey, even Clinton and Blair. It was like that in my day and its still like that.
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If you don't like being insulted then stop saying ridiculous things, you know nothing but think you know it all. Moron. And actually I am regarded as a model parent by all who know me whether you believe it or not. No piunt continuing this with a bigot who is not capable of learning the truth.

Algus wrote:

asbo foundation wrote:

Algus wrote: Oops typo, piunt should have been point. . And my grandson is 19 and doing an extra year at college you tw@t. Can't you read?

lol ATOOPI. looks like you were unable to keep it in your pants untruth. excess demon seed? time to give up the cheap thrills grandad. the midlife crisis should be furry dice.

Do you ever write anything sensible Asbo? And wtf are you talking about? Your drivel makes no sense whatsoever, except to you of course in your tiny little mind. Give it up lame brain.

Algus wrote:
Nothing more from mudlark? I would guess from previous posts, and the time you disappeared, that you might be a Councillor. If so you have met me and shook my hand as I have often been an 'expert witness' in the chambers at the Kiln Road Council offices, and others. Ah the delicious irony of it. Then again it's a bit frightening that our local decisions are being made by people with your level of bigotry and a complete lack of mental prowess. Hum.

Algus wrote:

asbo foundation wrote:

Algus wrote: Oops typo, piunt should have been point. . And my grandson is 19 and doing an extra year at college you tw@t. Can't you read?

lol ATOOPI. looks like you were unable to keep it in your pants untruth. excess demon seed? time to give up the cheap thrills grandad. the midlife crisis should be furry dice.

Do you ever write anything sensible Asbo? And wtf are you talking about? Your drivel makes no sense whatsoever, except to you of course in your tiny little mind. Give it up lame brain.

Last Poster wrote:
Algus you have proved to be rude, insensitive, morally moronic and you obviously support the use of this drug a little to vehemently.
You obviously have a hidden agenda in encouraging the sale and use of illegal drugs which leads me to believe you are , in fact, a supplier, the worse kind of morally moronic individual there is.
You claim to have a string of letters behind your name. I only have three (M.Sc.) which is an engineering qualification. Kindly prove your worth by quoting your letters and place and year of your qualifications so all the "know-nothings" (your insults, not mine) on here may best judge the sincerity of your remarks.
To be honest, you actually come over a tad familiar. With your ready insults to the respectable people on here and your quick temper, plus your tendency to repeat what you seem to think are clever quips (E.G. The rose-tinted glasses misquote) I do have the feeling you are either "Boy-Racer" or his clone. Whatever, you have an arrogant attitude which is seen often on the young men(?) who know absolutely everything about absolutely nothing. So come on, expert, prove your worth, put up or shut up!

Algus wrote:
Go away, trying to watch Iain Stewart with the wife.

Algus wrote:
Oh boy you are some imbecile, you get it all wrong. . The only crimes around cannabis are caused by the fact it is illegal! No-one gets muggesd by a cannabis user because they need a weed fix, Laughable. . I have already said we DO point out the dangers of cannabis. And if you knew anything about this you would know that tokers tend NOT to drink and vice versa. Got that? . I never said 100% of kids toke did I? However, all surveys since the 60s have said the majority of kids have tried cannabis, but thats only the ones who admit it. Don't you think some would lie and say they dont? Incidentally if you had been smart enough to go to Uni yourself you would know that it is almost a traditional rite of passage, they all do it at Uni matey, even Clinton and Blair. It was like that in my day and its still like that. . If you don't like being insulted then stop saying ridiculous things, you know nothing but think you know it all. Moron. And actually I am regarded as a model parent by all who know me whether you believe it or not. No piunt continuing this with a bigot who is not capable of learning the truth.

Algus wrote:
You are confusing ironic with moronic.

Algus wrote:
Strewth don’t you lot have anything better to do?
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Oh dear Essexlad08, yet another imbecile. Witchcraft was still illegal at the beginning of the 18th C, does that mean the law was right up until then? Alcohol was illegal during US prohibition, does that mean drinking half a pint of shandy was morally wrong during those years? Being gay was illegal until the late sixties, does that justify jailing people for being born gay before then? Do you have a brain?
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You are a complete moron if you believe that something must be wrong just because the law says it is, the law is a dynamic system, it changes as we learn more. And the law on cannabis is completely unjustifiable which is why it is slowly being repealed or no longer enforced in half of the western world. Google it! If you want to learn (which I doubt).
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Mugged for a bit of weed? Ludicrous, weed is cheap and NOT addictive. It was cheaper than booze forty years ago and the price hasn’t changed much since then so it’s cheap as chips now. Having said that, some scummy people would mug you for a Mars bar. Probably untrue anyway as the really scummy kids have learnt to use weed as an excuse for their crimes because they know the judiciary don’t understand it and don’t know how to deal with it (a bit like you). The criminal underclass knows how to manipulate the justice system, about the only thing they do know.
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Don’t bother leaving your worthless tabloid comments on here until you know something about the subject, also read the Govts national social surveys which say over half of adults would now agree to legalising cannabis, and that proportion rises every year as you silly old dinosaurs die off. Get used to it.

Algus wrote:
Another brainless comment. No-one has ever died from an overdose of cannabis. Driving whilst under the influence is no different to drink driving, you shouldn't do it. Do you think cannabis users are permanently stoned? Idiot. people who enjoy the odd drink don't have to use buses, they just don't drink and drive at the same time (most of them), ditto tokers. Whats the problem?

Algus wrote:
"You may well be right that nobody has ever died from an overdose of cannabis. I don't know, I am not privvy to everyones medical records. You obviously are, to be able to make such a comment".
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More moronic claims from another imbecile, you don't need to see everyones med records to know this, it is a simple matter of public record. Prove me wrong dumbo. You can't.

Blind Haze wrote:
Algus - you turn a blind eye to your children smoking cannabis(whether or not it should be a decriminalised is a different matter with strong arguments for and against). Do you think that there is a possibility that you have brought them up thinking that they can break the law if it's a minor offence or if it suits them? Whether or not it should be legal, it is illegal so I'm wondering what your view on their upbringing with regards to their perception of the law of the land.

Blind Haze wrote:
Algus - you turn a blind eye to your children smoking cannabis(whether or not it should be a decriminalised is a different matter with strong arguments for and against). Do you think that there is a possibility that you have brought them up thinking that they can break the law if it's a minor offence or if it suits them? Whether or not it should be legal, it is illegal so I'm wondering what your view on their upbringing with regards to their perception of the law of the land.

Algus wrote:

Last Poster wrote:
Of Course Cannabis is harmless. My young grandson has been "Introduced" to this totally harmless compound. He is not addicted and is only into crime the way he is to pay for the "Monster" soft drink he has to have when he can't get the weed. A perfectly nice, decent lad who's only vice was football until he met Mr. Pusher and his persuasive ways. Much the same as I was never addicted to alcohol and could take it or leave it, much the same as I only drank socially and I even drove better when I'd had a few and of course, I knew my limits! Luckily for me, they brought out the breathalyser and I saw the writing on the wall and stopped drinking. My heart attack stopped me smoking shortly after that. Yes of course I am a dinosaur and know next to nothing compared to the modern young sages who know everything. Perhaps they can tell me why that phrase sounds so familiar?

Then either your grandson is one of the miniscule number of people who don't get on with the weed, just as some don't get on with alcohol, or you are looking through rose tinted specs. No-one commits crimes because of weed, it's cheap as chips in case you don't know, and it's not addictive in the physical sense like alcohol, heroin, nicotine etc. Are you sure your grandson is such a paragon of virtue cos to be frank, I doubt it. Btw me and all my friends have been toking since the sixties with NO PROBLEMS whatsoever. Now all our children and our grandchildren toke (not encouraged, they just do it as most kids do), again with no problems, and we'd rather they did that than drink alcohol because the dangers of alcohol are SO MUCH GREATER! Roll on decriminalisation, it is inevitable.

Jesslca wrote:

Algus wrote:
Waffle on dough brain

idiot

Algus wrote:
That troll Asbo is without doubt the most ignorant person posting on here, keeps referring to addiction when even the Doctors say it is NOT physically addictive and the Govts own Drug Advisor says cannabis is LESS HARMFUL than alcohol and nicotine. You want more proof? As previously stated our hospitals are packed full with alcohol and nicotine casualties whilst the number of cannabis casualties are miniscule. Still, don't let the facts get in the way of your moronic opinions eh?

Blind Haze wrote:
Algus - you turn a blind eye to your children smoking cannabis(whether or not it should be a decriminalised is a different matter with strong arguments for and against). Do you think that there is a possibility that you have brought them up thinking that they can break the law if it's a minor offence or if it suits them? Whether or not it should be legal, it is illegal so I'm wondering what your view on their upbringing with regards to their perception of the law of the land.

E-Types wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:
Algus - you turn a blind eye to your children smoking cannabis(whether or not it should be a decriminalised is a different matter with strong arguments for and against). Do you think that there is a possibility that you have brought them up thinking that they can break the law if it's a minor offence or if it suits them? Whether or not it should be legal, it is illegal so I'm wondering what your view on their upbringing with regards to their perception of the law of the land.

If Algus IS 'excitation' then apparently his brother is a serving police officer or so he claimed.

Algus wrote:

Blind Haze wrote:
Algus - you turn a blind eye to your children smoking cannabis(whether or not it should be a decriminalised is a different matter with strong arguments for and against). Do you think that there is a possibility that you have brought them up thinking that they can break the law if it's a minor offence or if it suits them? Whether or not it should be legal, it is illegal so I'm wondering what your view on their upbringing with regards to their perception of the law of the land.

My kids are hardly children, my youngest is nearly 23 and studying for an RIBA Masters at London Uni, and I bring my kids up to know what's RIGHT, not what the law says is right because that is often a completely different matter, except to brainless people who just blindly obey the law whatever it says. If most people were like that we'd still be persecuting witches, gays etc.
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For your information MOST people between their mid fifties and mid sixties have toked, we are the sixties generation and we KNOW that cannabis is relatively harmless. You lot know nothing.
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'Toxic cannabis' Nebs? That is like comparing a glass of wine to drinking meths, hardly a death due to normal cannabis. Likewise the car crash is NOT an overdose, but I don't expect you to understand that as your brain has clearly ceased functioning and gone into hibernation.
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Not answerng you Mudlark as you are clearly incapable of grasping that the law is not always right, bet you'd have been at the front of the queue to watch the witches burn and gay people imprisoned. You are a moral illiterate but you are so thick you don't even know it. Wouldn't pi55 on you if you were on fire.

E-Types wrote:

Algus wrote:
That troll Asbo is without doubt the most ignorant person posting on here, keeps referring to addiction when even the Doctors say it is NOT physically addictive and the Govts own Drug Advisor says cannabis is LESS HARMFUL than alcohol and nicotine. You want more proof? As previously stated our hospitals are packed full with alcohol and nicotine casualties whilst the number of cannabis casualties are miniscule. Still, don't let the facts get in the way of your moronic opinions eh?

Forgive me if im wrong having never smoked the stuff but isn't it smoked in conjunction with tobacco thus those smoking it can also be those who you mention as nicotine casualties.

I do see the point you make of decriminalising it taking way much of the crime involved with selling it ie violence. But of course it wont take away all the attached crime.

R85 wrote:
How can cannabis possibly be illegal when alcohol is not? Alcohol has been proven to be more harmful than cannabis! On top of this alcohol causes aggression and cannabis causes relaxation! Why one is legal and the other is not is beyond comprehension! Alcohol is a drug and nicotine is one of the most harmful substances on Earth (plus Nicotine is THE most addictive substance on Earth, full-stop). I just can’t understand why drink & extremely addictive fags are legal and this isn’t!

Last Poster wrote:
Thanks for proving my point in front of all our beloved readers. You could not write a single paragraph without totally unjustified vitriol and "Do as you likey" answers. Despite two attempts you still have not answered my one simple question about alcohol. I do not understand assetions, I am sorry. You profoundly claim the cancerous habit to be as cheap as chips, yet, when I said the Rough price of a little over £12 (not including the tobacco) being expensive you reply "It costs more than that!" Yet all your insults you try to throw at people come to nothing because you yourself let your side down. The information you have obviously pulled from "The Sun" impresses me about as much as Cameron's "I know nothing about any deal with Murdoch over BSkyB" If you feel you must defend the drugs you cherish so much, and if a fraction of the claims you make about your "Coaching" at your grandsons' club are true then try a simple test to prove a point. 1/ Come off the funny fags for a week. If you can, and better still, can then be honest about it, try reading my posts again. Now see if you can understand what I have written about my personal use of alcohol. Now can you see what I have written? No, nothing about death crashes and hospitals and the rest of the drivel you were quoting. Purely my son and I going out for a couple or three pints (Walking) to my local. Incidentally, as frequently as about once every three months or so! Now point out to this dinosaur the dangers please. Do you now see what the drugs did to you and you did not even know? 2/ Go to your grandson's club with a printout of this thread, see the committee or whoever manages it and show him the thread. Now, point out to him that "Aint it the truth" is the smokescreen you use when you er, compose? 3/ Take a long hard look at yourself now. Still involved with kids? 4/ If yes, then please tell me the name of the club so I can do a simple check and then I will do what I can try to save some of these kids. From you.

It's the truth wrote:
One of you dozy bigots has had my account stopped, obviously because you don't like the truth so just for you lot here is what I posted last before it was wiped off. Once upon a time the schools and other agencies used to tell the kids that cannabis was a terrible dangerous drug but they found this did not work because the kids knew better. Now, and for the last 25 or so years the teachers tell the kids the TRUTH, they teach the kids that cannabis is a mild drug that will not kill you but it's best to avoid it whilst you are a young teen. This works much better as it's the truth. Did you get that you morons? THE TRUTH!
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Can't be bothered Nebs, aren't you capable of looking up stuff yourself? The Govt Minister concerned actually said the "numbers are tiny". Now go look at the NHS site yourself to find the actual numbers.
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One thing that is perfectly clear is that none of you muppets knows the slightest thing about cannabis and yet you all have really strong views on the subject. No sensible person would dream of forming an opinion about something unless they actually knew something about the subject which shows you lot up for what you are, ignorant uneducated opinionated bigots. All of you.

It's the truth wrote:
I don't have anger issues, I'm just telling it like it is - that no sensible person would dream of forming an opinion about something unless they actually know something about the subject which shows you lot up for what you are, ignorant uneducated opinionated bigots.

It's the truth wrote:
One of you dozy bigots has had my account stopped, obviously because you don't like the truth so just for you lot here is what I posted last before it was wiped off. Once upon a time the schools and other agencies used to tell the kids that cannabis was a terrible dangerous drug but they found this did not work because the kids knew better. Now, and for the last 25 or so years the teachers tell the kids the TRUTH, they teach the kids that cannabis is a mild drug that will not kill you but it's best to avoid it whilst you are a young teen. This works much better as it's the truth. Did you get that you morons? THE TRUTH!
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Can't be bothered Nebs, aren't you capable of looking up stuff yourself? The Govt Minister concerned actually said the "numbers are tiny". Now go look at the NHS site yourself to find the actual numbers.
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One thing that is perfectly clear is that none of you muppets knows the slightest thing about cannabis and yet you all have really strong views on the subject. No sensible person would dream of forming an opinion about something unless they actually knew something about the subject which shows you lot up for what you are, ignorant uneducated opinionated bigots. All of you.

Last Poster wrote:

It's the truth wrote: I don't have anger issues, I'm just telling it like it is - that no sensible person would dream of forming an opinion about something unless they actually know something about the subject which shows you lot up for what you are, ignorant uneducated opinionated bigots.

You have lost the plot. Nebs has actually found the site where they address your problem. You go instantly and unceasingly in denial. Can you not calm down, restrain yourself from the constant inane insults you throw at every person who is not in rapport with your off the planet viewpoint. The only hope I have for you is that you are, in fact, in your pre-teens and engaging in a "Toys out of the pram" episode. If so, providing you try to stop your dependency on the drug, and it's associated nicotine habit, you could still turn out to be a nice, fairly well-balanced lad. Conversely, if you are an adult, then as is obvious to the majority who are sensible balanced adults, you are probably too late to save yourself. Mind you, even sitting down, reading the posts of the people who are not pushers or hop heads, trying to understand the message in the postings and following the advice given in your interest instead of trying to think up other ways of insulting the good people for their good intentions then who knows? you could surprise even your sad self! Oh and remember, abusing a drug dulls your thinking. Do you seriously think you know anything about the drug? Bet's on whether you even know the genus of the plant!

It's the truth wrote:
Can't even be bothered to read your drivel LP - ooh! just caught your last line.
I am the only one "arguing by reason" you ignoramus, you are just spouting bigoted rubbish that bears no relation to reality. You should be ashamed that you have argued so much about a subject you know nothing about. Go on, tell us all your experience with cannabis?

Last Poster wrote:

It's the truth wrote:
Can't even be bothered to read your drivel LP - ooh! just caught your last line.
I am the only one "arguing by reason" you ignoramus, you are just spouting bigoted rubbish that bears no relation to reality. You should be ashamed that you have argued so much about a subject you know nothing about. Go on, tell us all your experience with cannabis?

Well I tried. You simply are unreachable. You read but do not digest. You insult but are without character yourself, so insults from you are meaningless. Lastly, your singularity and total drug fixation have made you impossible to reason with.
My experience with cannabis? Look up the posts, see how many reasoned arguments people have put to you and how many you managed to answer without simply resorting to abuse. Who would want to live on your planet. Normal people can still enjoy life in all it's reality. Sadly, you are a drug dependant who is blinkered from reality and so does not get satisfaction from real life.

You, lad, provide as much experience of that mind perverting drug that any reasonable person on here can wish for.

My only hope ia that the sensible majority who looked here have seen for themselves exactly how it has taken your mind away from you. Meanwhile, perhaps we can chat on some other post in the future.
If you are able to hit the right keys!

supersarah wrote:
Reply from old Truth.
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"I am unreachable!" Ha ha, that's a laugh, you are the one who is incapable of understanding plain English and simple logic. You live on your own little planet mate, completely out of touch with reality.
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Oh sorry, I'm supposed to be the one who is incapable of rational thought because I had a few puffs over the weekend. Imbecile! Your alcohol does MUCH MORE DAMAGE you fool.
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I am replying on my wife's account cos you complained about me again. You are one two faced sneaky bag of shyte mate, can't take it when someone disagrees with you, bet your relatives love you, not. Well don't worry, you won't get rid of me that easy. Byeee

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