Sir Bob asks 'why no folk at Olympics?'

AN MP has slammed Olympics organisers for leaving folk music out of its opening and closing ceremonies.

Sir Bob Russell said the televised events, which have a joint budget of £81 million, would fail to represent parts of the country.

He raised the issue at the House of Commons on Thursday.

He said: "Can we have a debate on the Olympics? Not sporting matters but on those allied to the Games and reports the opening and closing ceremonies will exclude the traditional folk culture of the nations and the regions."

The ceremonies are being devised by Oscar-winning film director Danny Boyle.

Leader of the House, Sir George Young said: "I am sure the opening ceremony will do justice to the whole of the country."

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7:43pm Thu 23 Feb 12

jut1972 says...

Has Bob really nothing better to do than this? No wonder he clocks up so many hours in parliament...
Has Bob really nothing better to do than this? No wonder he clocks up so many hours in parliament... jut1972

8:11pm Thu 23 Feb 12

angryman!!! says...

Talk about pot and kettle!!! Was not only a month ago he was bemoaning one of his own constituents for wasting his precious time asking questions about the funding of the royal yacht. Now he's not wasting only his time but the whole countries by asking perfetic questions about folk at the Olympics, you are a joke, you could have raised any number of questions, but yoi chose that, glad we payed for your train fair down for that!
Talk about pot and kettle!!! Was not only a month ago he was bemoaning one of his own constituents for wasting his precious time asking questions about the funding of the royal yacht. Now he's not wasting only his time but the whole countries by asking perfetic questions about folk at the Olympics, you are a joke, you could have raised any number of questions, but yoi chose that, glad we payed for your train fair down for that! angryman!!!

11:28pm Thu 23 Feb 12

Boris says...

Sadly the London Olympics have turned out to be an event for fat cats, VIPs and media people. Very few ordinary people got tickets. I'd like to think most self-respecting folk musicians would refuse such an élitist gig, but of course nobody would refuse a fat fee if it was offered.
Sadly the London Olympics have turned out to be an event for fat cats, VIPs and media people. Very few ordinary people got tickets. I'd like to think most self-respecting folk musicians would refuse such an élitist gig, but of course nobody would refuse a fat fee if it was offered. Boris

10:43am Fri 24 Feb 12

Ritchie_Hicks says...

Forget folk music - we need a bit of good old British rock music.
Forget folk music - we need a bit of good old British rock music. Ritchie_Hicks

11:04am Fri 24 Feb 12

Boris says...

Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
Forget folk music - we need a bit of good old British rock music.
That's what you're going to get, illustrious old **** like Sir Paul McCartney.
[quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: Forget folk music - we need a bit of good old British rock music.[/p][/quote]That's what you're going to get, illustrious old **** like Sir Paul McCartney. Boris

11:09am Fri 24 Feb 12

Say It As It Is OK? says...

There are local issues that Bob could, but doesn't, get involved in to support the rights of his constituents. Would be better than asking stupid questions like this in the Commons!

If Bob actually worked and helped solve "local issues" rather than ignore them, he would have more support and much more credibility than he has.

Then again many local issues would not get him the sort of publicity he seems to crave during recent months!
There are local issues that Bob could, but doesn't, get involved in to support the rights of his constituents. Would be better than asking stupid questions like this in the Commons! If Bob actually worked and helped solve "local issues" rather than ignore them, he would have more support and much more credibility than he has. Then again many local issues would not get him the sort of publicity he seems to crave during recent months! Say It As It Is OK?

12:39pm Fri 24 Feb 12

Ritchie_Hicks says...

Boris wrote:
Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
Forget folk music - we need a bit of good old British rock music.
That's what you're going to get, illustrious old **** like Sir Paul McCartney.
I said rock, not classic pop!
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: Forget folk music - we need a bit of good old British rock music.[/p][/quote]That's what you're going to get, illustrious old **** like Sir Paul McCartney.[/p][/quote]I said rock, not classic pop! Ritchie_Hicks

12:42pm Fri 24 Feb 12

romantic says...

I don´t suppose there´s much in the way of thrash metal, punk rock, hardcore rap, dance music etc. Those types of music are (and I know I´m opening up a proper can of worms here!) more representative of what younger people listen to. Folk music is comparatively marginal (sorry to any folkies out there, but I´m afraid it´s true).

The Olympic ceremonies are never going to be cutting edge, they are committee designed to be safe and not create offence. Same way as X-Factor ends up with the bland, safe one at the end, any music which gets into the ceremonies is going to be mainstream, non-controversial, non-challenging.

Same as the Jubilee Concert: any younger act which does make it through to the stage will be so safe and bland you will be begging for the cutting edge rawness of Sir Cliff, Sir Tom and Sir Paul by the end!

Boris is right in what he says. And I understand that even the big screen outside the stadium will be ticket-only! If this is the best question Bob Russell can find to ask, maybe it´s time he shuffled off the stage, shiny bauble in hand.
I don´t suppose there´s much in the way of thrash metal, punk rock, hardcore rap, dance music etc. Those types of music are (and I know I´m opening up a proper can of worms here!) more representative of what younger people listen to. Folk music is comparatively marginal (sorry to any folkies out there, but I´m afraid it´s true). The Olympic ceremonies are never going to be cutting edge, they are committee designed to be safe and not create offence. Same way as X-Factor ends up with the bland, safe one at the end, any music which gets into the ceremonies is going to be mainstream, non-controversial, non-challenging. Same as the Jubilee Concert: any younger act which does make it through to the stage will be so safe and bland you will be begging for the cutting edge rawness of Sir Cliff, Sir Tom and Sir Paul by the end! Boris is right in what he says. And I understand that even the big screen outside the stadium will be ticket-only! If this is the best question Bob Russell can find to ask, maybe it´s time he shuffled off the stage, shiny bauble in hand. romantic

1:50pm Fri 24 Feb 12

Reginald47 says...

I expect the organisers wanted something modern rather than a very worthy but boring bit of old hat.
I expect the organisers wanted something modern rather than a very worthy but boring bit of old hat. Reginald47

4:41pm Fri 24 Feb 12

wellnow says...

i'm with bob why can't we have bit of morris dancing or thrash the willow or a few pipers with no knickers enthralling the crowds with a few hoot nannies and oche eye's.
i'm with bob why can't we have bit of morris dancing or thrash the willow or a few pipers with no knickers enthralling the crowds with a few hoot nannies and oche eye's. wellnow

7:23pm Fri 24 Feb 12

Boris says...

Reginald47 wrote:
I expect the organisers wanted something modern rather than a very worthy but boring bit of old hat.
In that case why don't they just pick whatever British band gets selected for this year's Eurovision Song Contest?
I did read that Blur are going to headline an Olympics closing concert, but not in the stadium, only in Hyde Park.
[quote][p][bold]Reginald47[/bold] wrote: I expect the organisers wanted something modern rather than a very worthy but boring bit of old hat.[/p][/quote]In that case why don't they just pick whatever British band gets selected for this year's Eurovision Song Contest? I did read that Blur are going to headline an Olympics closing concert, but not in the stadium, only in Hyde Park. Boris

7:24pm Fri 24 Feb 12

Boris says...

Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
Boris wrote:
Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
Forget folk music - we need a bit of good old British rock music.
That's what you're going to get, illustrious old **** like Sir Paul McCartney.
I said rock, not classic pop!
Who did you have in mind? Can you give us a few names.
[quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: Forget folk music - we need a bit of good old British rock music.[/p][/quote]That's what you're going to get, illustrious old **** like Sir Paul McCartney.[/p][/quote]I said rock, not classic pop![/p][/quote]Who did you have in mind? Can you give us a few names. Boris

7:41pm Fri 24 Feb 12

6079 Smith W says...

Boris wrote:
Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
Boris wrote:
Ritchie_Hicks wrote:
Forget folk music - we need a bit of good old British rock music.
That's what you're going to get, illustrious old **** like Sir Paul McCartney.
I said rock, not classic pop!
Who did you have in mind? Can you give us a few names.
Ritchie only seems to be aware of The Beatles bubblegum pop of their early years. Pity really, because most of us know their best stuff was later on. As if 'Sgt Pepper' (the very first concept album) or the 'White Album' come into the 'classic pop' category. Such albums aint Abba!
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ritchie_Hicks[/bold] wrote: Forget folk music - we need a bit of good old British rock music.[/p][/quote]That's what you're going to get, illustrious old **** like Sir Paul McCartney.[/p][/quote]I said rock, not classic pop![/p][/quote]Who did you have in mind? Can you give us a few names.[/p][/quote]Ritchie only seems to be aware of The Beatles bubblegum pop of their early years. Pity really, because most of us know their best stuff was later on. As if 'Sgt Pepper' (the very first concept album) or the 'White Album' come into the 'classic pop' category. Such albums aint Abba! 6079 Smith W

7:43pm Fri 24 Feb 12

6079 Smith W says...

Boris wrote:
Sadly the London Olympics have turned out to be an event for fat cats, VIPs and media people. Very few ordinary people got tickets. I'd like to think most self-respecting folk musicians would refuse such an élitist gig, but of course nobody would refuse a fat fee if it was offered.
So, relative to the headline, the real question is: Why no ordinary folk at the Olympics?
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: Sadly the London Olympics have turned out to be an event for fat cats, VIPs and media people. Very few ordinary people got tickets. I'd like to think most self-respecting folk musicians would refuse such an élitist gig, but of course nobody would refuse a fat fee if it was offered.[/p][/quote]So, relative to the headline, the real question is: Why no ordinary folk at the Olympics? 6079 Smith W

9:52pm Fri 24 Feb 12

PROOFREADER says...

wellnow wrote:
i'm with bob why can't we have bit of morris dancing or thrash the willow or a few pipers with no knickers enthralling the crowds with a few hoot nannies and oche eye's.
I thought they might have some morris dancing and that the BBC would have a programme
called Strictly Morris Dancing to
decide who takes part.
[quote][p][bold]wellnow[/bold] wrote: i'm with bob why can't we have bit of morris dancing or thrash the willow or a few pipers with no knickers enthralling the crowds with a few hoot nannies and oche eye's.[/p][/quote]I thought they might have some morris dancing and that the BBC would have a programme called Strictly Morris Dancing to decide who takes part. PROOFREADER

11:12pm Fri 24 Feb 12

jut1972 says...

Whenever I think of folk music I drink some fortified wine. Well its seems a fair port convention...

(Frank Carson I aint)
Whenever I think of folk music I drink some fortified wine. Well its seems a fair port convention... (Frank Carson I aint) jut1972

7:35am Sat 25 Feb 12

RobWalker says...

happyinjaywick wrote:
Well you all made I larf even through bleary eyes @ 1.15 am.

you need good old swinging 60`s & 70`s music playing out with a crowd of scooters smoking there way through london,
as played out most weekends.
Scooters are Iconic all over the world, the same as red phone boxes, red buses changing of the guards.
Fly the flag with the riders wearing 60`s styled union flag jackets, with the scooter girls on pillion in tasty so short skirts, kinky boots and mary quant hairstyles.
Its how London is still seen as around the world.
Austin Powers could parachute in with a union flag on top :) ! Actually............

It's only going to be any good if it is quirky and funny, with tongue firmly in cheek. We don't have the money to compete with the scale of previous opening ceremonies in other countries.
So might be a good thing to be unusual.
[quote][p][bold]happyinjaywick[/bold] wrote: Well you all made I larf even through bleary eyes @ 1.15 am. you need good old swinging 60`s & 70`s music playing out with a crowd of scooters smoking there way through london, as played out most weekends. Scooters are Iconic all over the world, the same as red phone boxes, red buses changing of the guards. Fly the flag with the riders wearing 60`s styled union flag jackets, with the scooter girls on pillion in tasty so short skirts, kinky boots and mary quant hairstyles. Its how London is still seen as around the world.[/p][/quote]Austin Powers could parachute in with a union flag on top :) ! Actually............ It's only going to be any good if it is quirky and funny, with tongue firmly in cheek. We don't have the money to compete with the scale of previous opening ceremonies in other countries. So might be a good thing to be unusual. RobWalker

7:57am Sat 25 Feb 12

Cleggeron says...

Sir Bob is absolutely right to ask, because this isn't really about the type of music that will be used in the opening ceremonies. It's all about how we as a nation will be portrayed - just what image do we want to project?
The most memorable opening ceremonies feature the essence of the host country - music, tradition, arts, etc - and it was obvious from the moment the powers that be brought Danny Boyle on board to produce things that our event would feature everything but anything that could be described as "traditionally British".
I'm sure it will have pastiche London buses, maybe even the odd policeman on the beat (there's a tradition we don't see anymore). Apparently it's going to feature nurses and doctors too - goodness knows why. I'm sure it will have a nod to the 60s and our influence on fashion.
But I'm willing to bet that it will also feature music and dance from every minority group in the country - rap, reggae, bangra etc - and nothing at all from our long and vibrant indigenous folk traditions.
I'm sure that some of you out there will take this as some sort of racist rant - but you'd be wrong. I love the influence that other cultures have had on everything from our food to our fashion.
But what the Olympics opening ceremony will demonstrate only too clearly is that we have lost any sense of what being British actually means, of our culture and traditions. Other countries celebrate their folk traditions and are proud of them. We seem to want to pretend they never happened and that they're not to be mentioned in polite company. Why is it that we respect and venerate the folk traditions of those from other countries that have settled here, but hold our own up to ridicule?
So yes to Morris dancing, highland reels and furry dances and more at the Olympic opening ceremony - in moderation. They're part of us all - and we shouldn't be afraid to show it.
Sir Bob is absolutely right to ask, because this isn't really about the type of music that will be used in the opening ceremonies. It's all about how we as a nation will be portrayed - just what image do we want to project? The most memorable opening ceremonies feature the essence of the host country - music, tradition, arts, etc - and it was obvious from the moment the powers that be brought Danny Boyle on board to produce things that our event would feature everything but anything that could be described as "traditionally British". I'm sure it will have pastiche London buses, maybe even the odd policeman on the beat (there's a tradition we don't see anymore). Apparently it's going to feature nurses and doctors too - goodness knows why. I'm sure it will have a nod to the 60s and our influence on fashion. But I'm willing to bet that it will also feature music and dance from every minority group in the country - rap, reggae, bangra etc - and nothing at all from our long and vibrant indigenous folk traditions. I'm sure that some of you out there will take this as some sort of racist rant - but you'd be wrong. I love the influence that other cultures have had on everything from our food to our fashion. But what the Olympics opening ceremony will demonstrate only too clearly is that we have lost any sense of what being British actually means, of our culture and traditions. Other countries celebrate their folk traditions and are proud of them. We seem to want to pretend they never happened and that they're not to be mentioned in polite company. Why is it that we respect and venerate the folk traditions of those from other countries that have settled here, but hold our own up to ridicule? So yes to Morris dancing, highland reels and furry dances and more at the Olympic opening ceremony - in moderation. They're part of us all - and we shouldn't be afraid to show it. Cleggeron

9:04am Sat 25 Feb 12

wellnow says...

que the gorgon.
que the gorgon. wellnow

11:05am Sat 25 Feb 12

upandaterm says...

happyinjaywick wrote:
Well you all made I larf even through bleary eyes @ 1.15 am.

you need good old swinging 60`s & 70`s music playing out with a crowd of scooters smoking there way through london,
as played out most weekends.
Scooters are Iconic all over the world, the same as red phone boxes, red buses changing of the guards.
Fly the flag with the riders wearing 60`s styled union flag jackets, with the scooter girls on pillion in tasty so short skirts, kinky boots and mary quant hairstyles.
Its how London is still seen as around the world.
You could turn up on your Auto which has nothing to do with the 60's scooter scene!
[quote][p][bold]happyinjaywick[/bold] wrote: Well you all made I larf even through bleary eyes @ 1.15 am. you need good old swinging 60`s & 70`s music playing out with a crowd of scooters smoking there way through london, as played out most weekends. Scooters are Iconic all over the world, the same as red phone boxes, red buses changing of the guards. Fly the flag with the riders wearing 60`s styled union flag jackets, with the scooter girls on pillion in tasty so short skirts, kinky boots and mary quant hairstyles. Its how London is still seen as around the world.[/p][/quote]You could turn up on your Auto which has nothing to do with the 60's scooter scene! upandaterm

12:50pm Sat 25 Feb 12

wellnow says...

help!!!
help!!! wellnow

12:20pm Sun 26 Feb 12

jacklumber1 says...

If you watch BBC Parliament program debates you see, get an idea, who is in the House and what debates they participate in etc. Sir Bob doesn't seem to be involved in many or ask many meaningful questions! After the recent fracas in the bar I think they should have a CCTV in the bar and double the price of the booze instead of the taxpayer having to subsidise the MPs food and booze. If you want to keep up with Sir Bob's efforts log onto www,TheyWorkForYou and you can be kept up to date with his efforts its informative!
If you watch BBC Parliament program debates you see, get an idea, who is in the House and what debates they participate in etc. Sir Bob doesn't seem to be involved in many or ask many meaningful questions! After the recent fracas in the bar I think they should have a CCTV in the bar and double the price of the booze instead of the taxpayer having to subsidise the MPs food and booze. If you want to keep up with Sir Bob's efforts log onto www,TheyWorkForYou and you can be kept up to date with his efforts its informative! jacklumber1

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