Planes on Braintree flightpath could triple to 153 a day

Planes on Braintree flightpath could triple to 153 a day

Planes on Braintree flightpath could triple to 153 a day

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Residents in and around Braintree could see the number of planes flying over their homes triple under plans to ease congestion above Heathrow.

Up to 12 low-flying planes an hour could fly over homes during the day time - one every five minutes.

Daily departures from Stansted Airport currently leave in two directions, with about 58 flying south east towards Dover and 51 taking off east over the Braintree district towards Clacton.

NATS Holdings, which manages the country’s air traffic, is suggesting practically abandoning the Dover route and increasing the number of flights using the Clacton route to up to 153 a day.

See this week's Times for the full story.  

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4:58pm Mon 7 Jul 14

/@|_|@\ says...

Although this may sound like a problem, I feel strongly that it'll soon be integrated into daily life by the residents and they'll cease to notice it within a very short time. That's what's happened everywhere else that I have lived with this issue. At fifteen miles downrange from the airport, the aircraft will be approximately 15 to 17,000 and, therefore, the noise will be minimal.

Nothing to worry about - ignore the Brainless and Witless's nattering nabobs of negativism.
Although this may sound like a problem, I feel strongly that it'll soon be integrated into daily life by the residents and they'll cease to notice it within a very short time. That's what's happened everywhere else that I have lived with this issue. At fifteen miles downrange from the airport, the aircraft will be approximately 15 to 17,000 and, therefore, the noise will be minimal. Nothing to worry about - ignore the Brainless and Witless's nattering nabobs of negativism. /@|_|@\
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5:39pm Mon 7 Jul 14

James Abbott says...

/@|_|@\

No they will not be that high - that is more than double likely heights. For much of the day when ambient noise levels can be higher, residents may not be too affected - but late evening (eg 11pm) when people are trying to get to sleep it will be more of a problem.
/@|_|@\ No they will not be that high - that is more than double likely heights. For much of the day when ambient noise levels can be higher, residents may not be too affected - but late evening (eg 11pm) when people are trying to get to sleep it will be more of a problem. James Abbott
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6:02pm Mon 7 Jul 14

/@|_|@\ says...

James Abbott wrote:
/@|_|@\

No they will not be that high - that is more than double likely heights. For much of the day when ambient noise levels can be higher, residents may not be too affected - but late evening (eg 11pm) when people are trying to get to sleep it will be more of a problem.
Hmmmm ... I did some more detailed digging around. Given the figures below for a Boeing 75 series, then at 287 mph nominal (unrealistic, of course), and 2000 fpm climb rate, and 20 miles from takeoff, he'd be at about 9000'. So, 10,000' is not unreasonable but yes, you are right: 15-17 is not. Thanks for pointing this out.

757 - from the web

Takeoff:
· V1 - Decision Speed = 130 Knots
· Vr - Rotate Speed = 140 Knots

Climb Rate:
· Climb Rate: Set to 1,800 ft./min. (Takeoff to 16,000 ft. MSL)
· Climb Rate: Set to 1,200 ft./min. (16,000 ft. MSL to cruise altitude)
[quote][p][bold]James Abbott[/bold] wrote: /@|_|@\ No they will not be that high - that is more than double likely heights. For much of the day when ambient noise levels can be higher, residents may not be too affected - but late evening (eg 11pm) when people are trying to get to sleep it will be more of a problem.[/p][/quote]Hmmmm ... I did some more detailed digging around. Given the figures below for a Boeing 75 series, then at 287 mph nominal (unrealistic, of course), and 2000 fpm climb rate, and 20 miles from takeoff, he'd be at about 9000'. So, 10,000' is not unreasonable but yes, you are right: 15-17 is not. Thanks for pointing this out. 757 - from the web Takeoff: · V1 - Decision Speed = 130 Knots · Vr - Rotate Speed = 140 Knots Climb Rate: · Climb Rate: Set to 1,800 ft./min. (Takeoff to 16,000 ft. MSL) · Climb Rate: Set to 1,200 ft./min. (16,000 ft. MSL to cruise altitude) /@|_|@\
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7:53am Tue 8 Jul 14

Bhudeeka says...

yes we have already noticed it its disgusting get off our "flight" path and leave us in peace
yes we have already noticed it its disgusting get off our "flight" path and leave us in peace Bhudeeka
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11:06am Tue 8 Jul 14

keith_l says...

Bhudeeka wrote:
yes we have already noticed it its disgusting get off our "flight" path and leave us in peace
From your other comments, I was sure that you live in Witham. None of the major flight paths go over Witham.
[quote][p][bold]Bhudeeka[/bold] wrote: yes we have already noticed it its disgusting get off our "flight" path and leave us in peace[/p][/quote]From your other comments, I was sure that you live in Witham. None of the major flight paths go over Witham. keith_l
  • Score: 3

2:02pm Tue 8 Jul 14

keith_l says...

James Abbott wrote:
/@|_|@\

No they will not be that high - that is more than double likely heights. For much of the day when ambient noise levels can be higher, residents may not be too affected - but late evening (eg 11pm) when people are trying to get to sleep it will be more of a problem.
Even that distance is over a mile. A passenger jet whilst in climb is at its noisiest, but even then at that height the noise would not be intrusive - you couldn't even measure it on a noise meter a mile away.
[quote][p][bold]James Abbott[/bold] wrote: /@|_|@\ No they will not be that high - that is more than double likely heights. For much of the day when ambient noise levels can be higher, residents may not be too affected - but late evening (eg 11pm) when people are trying to get to sleep it will be more of a problem.[/p][/quote]Even that distance is over a mile. A passenger jet whilst in climb is at its noisiest, but even then at that height the noise would not be intrusive - you couldn't even measure it on a noise meter a mile away. keith_l
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3:29pm Tue 8 Jul 14

/@|_|@\ says...

keith_l wrote:
James Abbott wrote:
/@|_|@\

No they will not be that high - that is more than double likely heights. For much of the day when ambient noise levels can be higher, residents may not be too affected - but late evening (eg 11pm) when people are trying to get to sleep it will be more of a problem.
Even that distance is over a mile. A passenger jet whilst in climb is at its noisiest, but even then at that height the noise would not be intrusive - you couldn't even measure it on a noise meter a mile away.
There are at least three different rates of climb (for a 757 for example): once it reaches 10000' the rate of climb is reduced as is the power and thus the noise. So, despite all the negativity, I agree that the noise will not be intrusive.

Plus -- remember: there are flights already tracking that route. No one moans now and so the increase will not be noticeable (unless you live in Witham. In which case the disgusted living in their very own secluded (deluded?) flight path (?) will writhe in angst and self-righteous, offended outrage. Sorry).
[quote][p][bold]keith_l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]James Abbott[/bold] wrote: /@|_|@\ No they will not be that high - that is more than double likely heights. For much of the day when ambient noise levels can be higher, residents may not be too affected - but late evening (eg 11pm) when people are trying to get to sleep it will be more of a problem.[/p][/quote]Even that distance is over a mile. A passenger jet whilst in climb is at its noisiest, but even then at that height the noise would not be intrusive - you couldn't even measure it on a noise meter a mile away.[/p][/quote]There are at least three different rates of climb (for a 757 for example): once it reaches 10000' the rate of climb is reduced as is the power and thus the noise. So, despite all the negativity, I agree that the noise will not be intrusive. Plus -- remember: there are flights already tracking that route. No one moans now and so the increase will not be noticeable (unless you live in Witham. In which case the disgusted living in their very own secluded (deluded?) flight path (?) will writhe in angst and self-righteous, offended outrage. Sorry). /@|_|@\
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12:57am Wed 9 Jul 14

WobblyDog says...

At Great Notley they are generally anywhere between 5000 and 6500 feet as they climb from Stansted. The majority of flights are RyanAir and these can be moderately noisy with a lot of early morning flights going to Eastern Europe. However, some of the cargo flights using 747s or old Airbuses can be very loud!

I don't quite understand why any of the flights need to be routed over Braintree when we are surrounded by virtually empty fields for miles!
At Great Notley they are generally anywhere between 5000 and 6500 feet as they climb from Stansted. The majority of flights are RyanAir and these can be moderately noisy with a lot of early morning flights going to Eastern Europe. However, some of the cargo flights using 747s or old Airbuses can be very loud! I don't quite understand why any of the flights need to be routed over Braintree when we are surrounded by virtually empty fields for miles! WobblyDog
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11:14pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Richie87 says...

Where I live there are always planes flying over to the point that at time you can see the tail logos. Flight are come over at 23:00-0:00 when I am trying to sleep but hey ho that is life. Like the saying goes not in my back garden. Do you fly when going on holiday? My attitude is if the answer is yes don't complain about it as you are encouraging flights. I don't complain about it as I fly and yes over my house too. This is just how I tell friends I will say how it is.
Where I live there are always planes flying over to the point that at time you can see the tail logos. Flight are come over at 23:00-0:00 when I am trying to sleep but hey ho that is life. Like the saying goes not in my back garden. Do you fly when going on holiday? My attitude is if the answer is yes don't complain about it as you are encouraging flights. I don't complain about it as I fly and yes over my house too. This is just how I tell friends I will say how it is. Richie87
  • Score: 2

4:22pm Thu 10 Jul 14

keith_l says...

Richie87 wrote:
Where I live there are always planes flying over to the point that at time you can see the tail logos. Flight are come over at 23:00-0:00 when I am trying to sleep but hey ho that is life. Like the saying goes not in my back garden. Do you fly when going on holiday? My attitude is if the answer is yes don't complain about it as you are encouraging flights. I don't complain about it as I fly and yes over my house too. This is just how I tell friends I will say how it is.
Your honesty is a breath of fresh air. Well done. My brother used to live in Twickenham and was directly under one of the Heathro flight paths. This was in the days on Concorde. You very quickly get used to the aircraft overhead.
[quote][p][bold]Richie87[/bold] wrote: Where I live there are always planes flying over to the point that at time you can see the tail logos. Flight are come over at 23:00-0:00 when I am trying to sleep but hey ho that is life. Like the saying goes not in my back garden. Do you fly when going on holiday? My attitude is if the answer is yes don't complain about it as you are encouraging flights. I don't complain about it as I fly and yes over my house too. This is just how I tell friends I will say how it is.[/p][/quote]Your honesty is a breath of fresh air. Well done. My brother used to live in Twickenham and was directly under one of the Heathro flight paths. This was in the days on Concorde. You very quickly get used to the aircraft overhead. keith_l
  • Score: 2

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