Pleas for action over dangerous A12 slip road at Rivenhall End

Braintree and Witham Times: Councillor James Abbott with Oak Road residents Councillor James Abbott with Oak Road residents

RESIDENTS are demanding action on a “dangerous” road where they have lived in fear for more than a decade.

Homeowners on Oak Road, Rivenhall, claim the slip road from the A12 is too short and does not allow enough time for motorists to slow from 70mph to 30mph.

As a result drivers often come into the road too quickly, lose control and smash into properties.

Jen Brignell, 51, had two cars written off in 2011 after a driver crashed through a fence and onto her drive.

She said: “People just take the corner far too fast and then ‘bang’- straight into the wall again.

“I am gobsmacked that nobody has been killed or seriously injured. That’s more down to luck than anything else.”

See this week's Times for the full story.

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4:03pm Fri 27 Jun 14

The Stinker Returns says...

It's also made worse when people park on the road close to the A12 because cars coming steaming round the bend off the A12 as cars are overtaking parked vehicles close to the entry slip road. The people who live there should ensure that parked vehicles do not cause further problems
It's also made worse when people park on the road close to the A12 because cars coming steaming round the bend off the A12 as cars are overtaking parked vehicles close to the entry slip road. The people who live there should ensure that parked vehicles do not cause further problems The Stinker Returns
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4:27pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Soop1958 says...

Cars always smashing into properties and yet the best example they could come up with was once back 2011???! Are there more incidents or is it yet another example of a load of bored residents with nothing more to moan about?
Cars always smashing into properties and yet the best example they could come up with was once back 2011???! Are there more incidents or is it yet another example of a load of bored residents with nothing more to moan about? Soop1958
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5:26pm Fri 27 Jun 14

James Abbott says...

Soop1958 - you are way out of line there. These impacts occur regularly, the most recent just a few weeks ago. Residents are certainly not "bored", they want the Highways Agency to deliver on a scheme to make the junction safer that has been under discussion for over a decade.
Soop1958 - you are way out of line there. These impacts occur regularly, the most recent just a few weeks ago. Residents are certainly not "bored", they want the Highways Agency to deliver on a scheme to make the junction safer that has been under discussion for over a decade. James Abbott
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12:13am Sat 28 Jun 14

Logicalsense says...

No such thing as a "dangerous road". It's the retarded drivers that are dangerous. Just as the idiots that park close to the junction.
No such thing as a "dangerous road". It's the retarded drivers that are dangerous. Just as the idiots that park close to the junction. Logicalsense
  • Score: 4

8:46am Sat 28 Jun 14

pierre-pierre says...

I dont class myself as a retarded driver, but one of my years experience driving in Europe and the Alps, but that junction as said has far too small slip road both off and on the coast bound in particular
I dont class myself as a retarded driver, but one of my years experience driving in Europe and the Alps, but that junction as said has far too small slip road both off and on the coast bound in particular pierre-pierre
  • Score: 3

9:40am Sat 28 Jun 14

Logicalsense says...

pierre-pierre wrote:
I dont class myself as a retarded driver, but one of my years experience driving in Europe and the Alps, but that junction as said has far too small slip road both off and on the coast bound in particular
Do you not have brakes and a steering wheel....? As long as you look ahead and plan, keep your distance from other vehicles and adjust your speed accordingly - there should not be a problem.
Guess you also think an extra lane on the A12 would solve the congestion and crashes - even though all the retards will still only use the second and third lane, thinking the first lane is the slow lane, even though all lanes have the same limit, whilst they leave it till the last minute to turn off!
You can easily see that the Rivenhall slip-road is short with a sharp corner - just SLOW DOWN! Very simple. Brake and turn your steering wheel.
None of you remember your driving lessons, or do you think you only have to drive like that whilst learning, then once you've passed your test - you can drive how you like....?
[quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: I dont class myself as a retarded driver, but one of my years experience driving in Europe and the Alps, but that junction as said has far too small slip road both off and on the coast bound in particular[/p][/quote]Do you not have brakes and a steering wheel....? As long as you look ahead and plan, keep your distance from other vehicles and adjust your speed accordingly - there should not be a problem. Guess you also think an extra lane on the A12 would solve the congestion and crashes - even though all the retards will still only use the second and third lane, thinking the first lane is the slow lane, even though all lanes have the same limit, whilst they leave it till the last minute to turn off! You can easily see that the Rivenhall slip-road is short with a sharp corner - just SLOW DOWN! Very simple. Brake and turn your steering wheel. None of you remember your driving lessons, or do you think you only have to drive like that whilst learning, then once you've passed your test - you can drive how you like....? Logicalsense
  • Score: 5

9:54am Sat 28 Jun 14

Logicalsense says...

I get it now. We get the Highway Agency to spend stupid amounts of money on extending the slip road and altering the corner so it's not "dangerous".
This will stop the idiots leaving it till the last minute to pull over from the second lane, cutting up over drivers, contributing to the tailbacks because everyone sits so close to each other -like a falling dominos effect. This will also stop the idiots from approaching the corner too fast and slow them down so they don't lose control.
I think you lot are in a dream world. People are too impatient and don't concentrate whilst driving. Nothing can be done to that slip road or junction that will stop idiots crashing - other than changing drivers dangerous habits. Again - very simple.
I get it now. We get the Highway Agency to spend stupid amounts of money on extending the slip road and altering the corner so it's not "dangerous". This will stop the idiots leaving it till the last minute to pull over from the second lane, cutting up over drivers, contributing to the tailbacks because everyone sits so close to each other -like a falling dominos effect. This will also stop the idiots from approaching the corner too fast and slow them down so they don't lose control. I think you lot are in a dream world. People are too impatient and don't concentrate whilst driving. Nothing can be done to that slip road or junction that will stop idiots crashing - other than changing drivers dangerous habits. Again - very simple. Logicalsense
  • Score: 5

3:14pm Sat 28 Jun 14

pierre-pierre says...

do you know this junction

take a satellite look at it
https://maps.google.
co.uk/maps?ll=51.816
432,0.666202&spn=0.0
01257,0.003449&t=h&z
=18
do you know this junction take a satellite look at it https://maps.google. co.uk/maps?ll=51.816 432,0.666202&spn=0.0 01257,0.003449&t=h&z =18 pierre-pierre
  • Score: 1

7:45pm Sat 28 Jun 14

/@|_|@\ says...

Logicalsense wrote:
No such thing as a "dangerous road". It's the retarded drivers that are dangerous. Just as the idiots that park close to the junction.
This comment (in conjunction with others) renders your (self-proclaimed) logical sense as simply the puerile spouting born of hubris. There are indeed dangerous roads and one needn't be mentally retarded to recognise this. There are innumerable examples of roads that are inherently dangerous. They are simply made more dangerous by incompetent drivers with patent cognitive and mental developmental issues.

(Calling someone a "retard" is highly indicative of retarded intelligence in and of itself and frankly extremely distasteful. As are you).
[quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: No such thing as a "dangerous road". It's the retarded drivers that are dangerous. Just as the idiots that park close to the junction.[/p][/quote]This comment (in conjunction with others) renders your (self-proclaimed) logical sense as simply the puerile spouting born of hubris. There are indeed dangerous roads and one needn't be mentally retarded to recognise this. There are innumerable examples of roads that are inherently dangerous. They are simply made more dangerous by incompetent drivers with patent cognitive and mental developmental issues. (Calling someone a "retard" is highly indicative of retarded intelligence in and of itself and frankly extremely distasteful. As are you). /@|_|@\
  • Score: -1

8:21pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Logicalsense says...

pierre-pierre wrote:
do you know this junction

take a satellite look at it
https://maps.google.

co.uk/maps?ll=51.816

432,0.666202&spn
=0.0
01257,0.003449&t
=h&z
=18
I use it a few times each week and have done for many years, asI don't live very far from it.
[quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: do you know this junction take a satellite look at it https://maps.google. co.uk/maps?ll=51.816 432,0.666202&spn =0.0 01257,0.003449&t =h&z =18[/p][/quote]I use it a few times each week and have done for many years, asI don't live very far from it. Logicalsense
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8:39pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Logicalsense says...

/@|_|@\ wrote:
Logicalsense wrote:
No such thing as a "dangerous road". It's the retarded drivers that are dangerous. Just as the idiots that park close to the junction.
This comment (in conjunction with others) renders your (self-proclaimed) logical sense as simply the puerile spouting born of hubris. There are indeed dangerous roads and one needn't be mentally retarded to recognise this. There are innumerable examples of roads that are inherently dangerous. They are simply made more dangerous by incompetent drivers with patent cognitive and mental developmental issues.

(Calling someone a "retard" is highly indicative of retarded intelligence in and of itself and frankly extremely distasteful. As are you).
Seriously....? So what do you call a person that finds it difficult to slow their car down...? A person that cannot steer their steering wheel enough to go round a corner....? If not a retard, maybe incompetent...? Surely these people would also fail their driving test if they could not slow down or navigate a corner???
Are you all really that thick that you think you have to be doing 70mph on to the slip road and slow to 30mph straight away on the corner????
You can see it is a short slip road, so you should slow down approaching the slip road. Very simple. Don't tell me, you're one of these people that race up to a junction and brake at the last minute. Then blame a wet road or "black ice" when you over shoot the junction and hit a car!
So, what is the answer then? Are we to spend stupid amounts of money on building run offs every where with gravel traps and tyre walls, because everyone thinks it's a race?!
Again, what is so difficult to adjusting your driving to the conditions of the road?
Shall we rid the roads of all sharp corners, blind bends...? Maybe we should also make all doors on shops, houses, etc, open automatically to help stop these people walking into them....?
I bet you're one of these that campaigned for the bridge over the level crossing in Witham. What is it with society now - not willing to take responsibility for their own actions? Total loss of common sense.... and self awareness....
The junction is NOT dangerous. It is the idiots that can drive correctly. If you seriously struggle to use that slip road/junction - you need to have some more driving lessons and retake your test.
[quote][p][bold]/@|_|@\[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: No such thing as a "dangerous road". It's the retarded drivers that are dangerous. Just as the idiots that park close to the junction.[/p][/quote]This comment (in conjunction with others) renders your (self-proclaimed) logical sense as simply the puerile spouting born of hubris. There are indeed dangerous roads and one needn't be mentally retarded to recognise this. There are innumerable examples of roads that are inherently dangerous. They are simply made more dangerous by incompetent drivers with patent cognitive and mental developmental issues. (Calling someone a "retard" is highly indicative of retarded intelligence in and of itself and frankly extremely distasteful. As are you).[/p][/quote]Seriously....? So what do you call a person that finds it difficult to slow their car down...? A person that cannot steer their steering wheel enough to go round a corner....? If not a retard, maybe incompetent...? Surely these people would also fail their driving test if they could not slow down or navigate a corner??? Are you all really that thick that you think you have to be doing 70mph on to the slip road and slow to 30mph straight away on the corner???? You can see it is a short slip road, so you should slow down approaching the slip road. Very simple. Don't tell me, you're one of these people that race up to a junction and brake at the last minute. Then blame a wet road or "black ice" when you over shoot the junction and hit a car! So, what is the answer then? Are we to spend stupid amounts of money on building run offs every where with gravel traps and tyre walls, because everyone thinks it's a race?! Again, what is so difficult to adjusting your driving to the conditions of the road? Shall we rid the roads of all sharp corners, blind bends...? Maybe we should also make all doors on shops, houses, etc, open automatically to help stop these people walking into them....? I bet you're one of these that campaigned for the bridge over the level crossing in Witham. What is it with society now - not willing to take responsibility for their own actions? Total loss of common sense.... and self awareness.... The junction is NOT dangerous. It is the idiots that can drive correctly. If you seriously struggle to use that slip road/junction - you need to have some more driving lessons and retake your test. Logicalsense
  • Score: 4

8:54pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Logicalsense says...

/@|_|@\ wrote:
Logicalsense wrote:
No such thing as a "dangerous road". It's the retarded drivers that are dangerous. Just as the idiots that park close to the junction.
This comment (in conjunction with others) renders your (self-proclaimed) logical sense as simply the puerile spouting born of hubris. There are indeed dangerous roads and one needn't be mentally retarded to recognise this. There are innumerable examples of roads that are inherently dangerous. They are simply made more dangerous by incompetent drivers with patent cognitive and mental developmental issues.

(Calling someone a "retard" is highly indicative of retarded intelligence in and of itself and frankly extremely distasteful. As are you).
Also - my comments deemed as extremely distasteful....???? WTF is that about? What about the idiots that cause so many daily deaths on our roads?!
OH, of course, that's easier to swallow as it's claimed as an "accident". Totally ignoring the fact some idiot has consciously been driving too fast, or too close!
There seems to be some social stigma with driving within the speed limit - especially the 30mph zones. Also keeping your distance from the car in front and actually using the first lane, instead of sitting in lane two or three when not overtaking. Where has this come from....?
We will continue to go round and round in circles and people will get killed every day on our roads whilst people drive like morons.
Is moron OK to use...? Is calling a murderer a murderer wrong too...? What should we call people that are ignorant, selfish and "think" they can do as they wish, regardless of others around them....? Obviously I'm from a different planet.
Just realised people that can't brake and slow down, or steer round a corner have a similar problem to fat people - that can't stop eating and always blame someone else. Very funny. People are strange.
[quote][p][bold]/@|_|@\[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: No such thing as a "dangerous road". It's the retarded drivers that are dangerous. Just as the idiots that park close to the junction.[/p][/quote]This comment (in conjunction with others) renders your (self-proclaimed) logical sense as simply the puerile spouting born of hubris. There are indeed dangerous roads and one needn't be mentally retarded to recognise this. There are innumerable examples of roads that are inherently dangerous. They are simply made more dangerous by incompetent drivers with patent cognitive and mental developmental issues. (Calling someone a "retard" is highly indicative of retarded intelligence in and of itself and frankly extremely distasteful. As are you).[/p][/quote]Also - my comments deemed as extremely distasteful....???? WTF is that about? What about the idiots that cause so many daily deaths on our roads?! OH, of course, that's easier to swallow as it's claimed as an "accident". Totally ignoring the fact some idiot has consciously been driving too fast, or too close! There seems to be some social stigma with driving within the speed limit - especially the 30mph zones. Also keeping your distance from the car in front and actually using the first lane, instead of sitting in lane two or three when not overtaking. Where has this come from....? We will continue to go round and round in circles and people will get killed every day on our roads whilst people drive like morons. Is moron OK to use...? Is calling a murderer a murderer wrong too...? What should we call people that are ignorant, selfish and "think" they can do as they wish, regardless of others around them....? Obviously I'm from a different planet. Just realised people that can't brake and slow down, or steer round a corner have a similar problem to fat people - that can't stop eating and always blame someone else. Very funny. People are strange. Logicalsense
  • Score: 1

9:13pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Logicalsense says...

Obvious mistake - I meant CAN'T DRIVE CORRECTLY.
I was busy speeding, whilst too close to the car in front of me, whilst checking my Facebook and twitter accounts, sending a text message and lighting a fag.
All more important than concentrating on the job..... ; o )
Obvious mistake - I meant CAN'T DRIVE CORRECTLY. I was busy speeding, whilst too close to the car in front of me, whilst checking my Facebook and twitter accounts, sending a text message and lighting a fag. All more important than concentrating on the job..... ; o ) Logicalsense
  • Score: 3

9:21pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Logicalsense says...

How about the VERY dangerous straight bit of the Witham bypass where the lorry and six cars crashed into each other, the other morning....?
Extremely dangerous that straight bit. Something needs to be done about that!
And as for those other straight bits where other people kept crashing into others in the tailbacks!!! Poor unsuspecting car drivers.
Come on - seriously...? Dangerous roads and junctions??? Nothing to do with idiots driving too close and too fast....? Please, someone explain to me how a road can be dangerous and make driving safely impossible....
I'm now starting to worry about the kitchen knives in my house - laying there in the drawer. The windows in my house - they must be dangerous too!!! Or is it possibly only when they come into contact with idiots that they become dangerous....? Surely it's the idiot that is dangerous???
How about the VERY dangerous straight bit of the Witham bypass where the lorry and six cars crashed into each other, the other morning....? Extremely dangerous that straight bit. Something needs to be done about that! And as for those other straight bits where other people kept crashing into others in the tailbacks!!! Poor unsuspecting car drivers. Come on - seriously...? Dangerous roads and junctions??? Nothing to do with idiots driving too close and too fast....? Please, someone explain to me how a road can be dangerous and make driving safely impossible.... I'm now starting to worry about the kitchen knives in my house - laying there in the drawer. The windows in my house - they must be dangerous too!!! Or is it possibly only when they come into contact with idiots that they become dangerous....? Surely it's the idiot that is dangerous??? Logicalsense
  • Score: 7

9:30pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Logicalsense says...

You lot are right!!! There's obviously a dangerous slip road on the A12 at Hatfield Peveral too - a car burst into flames today!!!!!!
What is going on with these slip roads trying to kill us innocent car drivers?
I bet you religious nuts are crapping yourselves - it's obviously the work of the devil!!!! How else could a dormant slip road be deemed dangerous????
How long until roundabouts start spinning and spewing green puke all over us???? Maybe some prayers and Holy water would sort out these dangerous roads....?
Funny, but worrying that so many people can be so deluded. It is on a par - thinking there is something there, that doesn't actually exist - even when there is no proof!!!! Mental.
You lot are right!!! There's obviously a dangerous slip road on the A12 at Hatfield Peveral too - a car burst into flames today!!!!!! What is going on with these slip roads trying to kill us innocent car drivers? I bet you religious nuts are crapping yourselves - it's obviously the work of the devil!!!! How else could a dormant slip road be deemed dangerous???? How long until roundabouts start spinning and spewing green puke all over us???? Maybe some prayers and Holy water would sort out these dangerous roads....? Funny, but worrying that so many people can be so deluded. It is on a par - thinking there is something there, that doesn't actually exist - even when there is no proof!!!! Mental. Logicalsense
  • Score: 5

10:46am Sun 29 Jun 14

Logicalsense says...

Logicalsense wrote:
You lot are right!!! There's obviously a dangerous slip road on the A12 at Hatfield Peveral too - a car burst into flames today!!!!!!
What is going on with these slip roads trying to kill us innocent car drivers?
I bet you religious nuts are crapping yourselves - it's obviously the work of the devil!!!! How else could a dormant slip road be deemed dangerous????
How long until roundabouts start spinning and spewing green puke all over us???? Maybe some prayers and Holy water would sort out these dangerous roads....?
Funny, but worrying that so many people can be so deluded. It is on a par - thinking there is something there, that doesn't actually exist - even when there is no proof!!!! Mental.
Very funny. A thumbs down. How about you have a word with your make believe mate and get him to rid the land of these dangerous slip roads. Whilst he's at it, maybe he will let you know the cure for cancer, poverty, etc.
Seriously - after all these years, you'd think society would have grown up and stopped believing in fairy tails.
[quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: You lot are right!!! There's obviously a dangerous slip road on the A12 at Hatfield Peveral too - a car burst into flames today!!!!!! What is going on with these slip roads trying to kill us innocent car drivers? I bet you religious nuts are crapping yourselves - it's obviously the work of the devil!!!! How else could a dormant slip road be deemed dangerous???? How long until roundabouts start spinning and spewing green puke all over us???? Maybe some prayers and Holy water would sort out these dangerous roads....? Funny, but worrying that so many people can be so deluded. It is on a par - thinking there is something there, that doesn't actually exist - even when there is no proof!!!! Mental.[/p][/quote]Very funny. A thumbs down. How about you have a word with your make believe mate and get him to rid the land of these dangerous slip roads. Whilst he's at it, maybe he will let you know the cure for cancer, poverty, etc. Seriously - after all these years, you'd think society would have grown up and stopped believing in fairy tails. Logicalsense
  • Score: 5

4:23pm Sun 29 Jun 14

/@|_|@\ says...

Logicalsense wrote:
Logicalsense wrote:
You lot are right!!! There's obviously a dangerous slip road on the A12 at Hatfield Peveral too - a car burst into flames today!!!!!!
What is going on with these slip roads trying to kill us innocent car drivers?
I bet you religious nuts are crapping yourselves - it's obviously the work of the devil!!!! How else could a dormant slip road be deemed dangerous????
How long until roundabouts start spinning and spewing green puke all over us???? Maybe some prayers and Holy water would sort out these dangerous roads....?
Funny, but worrying that so many people can be so deluded. It is on a par - thinking there is something there, that doesn't actually exist - even when there is no proof!!!! Mental.
Very funny. A thumbs down. How about you have a word with your make believe mate and get him to rid the land of these dangerous slip roads. Whilst he's at it, maybe he will let you know the cure for cancer, poverty, etc.
Seriously - after all these years, you'd think society would have grown up and stopped believing in fairy tails.
I think you are a nut job on a rant, frankly, but I have to agree with some of your points: it IS the drivers who are mostly at fault -- notwithstanding the fat that there are dangerous roads too. Inherently dangerous roads.

And I gave you a thumbs up on two of your rants -- both involving the issue of religion and the flying spaghetti monster (in which I believe fervently).

But, I won't give you kudos where you resort to calling every one an idiot, moron, retard or other irrelevant and disparaging pejoratives. You are like the right-wing nut jobs in the US that rant about their right to carry guns -- equally contemptible: The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
[quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: You lot are right!!! There's obviously a dangerous slip road on the A12 at Hatfield Peveral too - a car burst into flames today!!!!!! What is going on with these slip roads trying to kill us innocent car drivers? I bet you religious nuts are crapping yourselves - it's obviously the work of the devil!!!! How else could a dormant slip road be deemed dangerous???? How long until roundabouts start spinning and spewing green puke all over us???? Maybe some prayers and Holy water would sort out these dangerous roads....? Funny, but worrying that so many people can be so deluded. It is on a par - thinking there is something there, that doesn't actually exist - even when there is no proof!!!! Mental.[/p][/quote]Very funny. A thumbs down. How about you have a word with your make believe mate and get him to rid the land of these dangerous slip roads. Whilst he's at it, maybe he will let you know the cure for cancer, poverty, etc. Seriously - after all these years, you'd think society would have grown up and stopped believing in fairy tails.[/p][/quote]I think you are a nut job on a rant, frankly, but I have to agree with some of your points: it IS the drivers who are mostly at fault -- notwithstanding the fat that there are dangerous roads too. Inherently dangerous roads. And I gave you a thumbs up on two of your rants -- both involving the issue of religion and the flying spaghetti monster (in which I believe fervently). But, I won't give you kudos where you resort to calling every one an idiot, moron, retard or other irrelevant and disparaging pejoratives. You are like the right-wing nut jobs in the US that rant about their right to carry guns -- equally contemptible: The lady doth protest too much, methinks. /@|_|@\
  • Score: -4

5:36pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Logicalsense says...

/@|_|@\ wrote:
Logicalsense wrote:
Logicalsense wrote:
You lot are right!!! There's obviously a dangerous slip road on the A12 at Hatfield Peveral too - a car burst into flames today!!!!!!
What is going on with these slip roads trying to kill us innocent car drivers?
I bet you religious nuts are crapping yourselves - it's obviously the work of the devil!!!! How else could a dormant slip road be deemed dangerous????
How long until roundabouts start spinning and spewing green puke all over us???? Maybe some prayers and Holy water would sort out these dangerous roads....?
Funny, but worrying that so many people can be so deluded. It is on a par - thinking there is something there, that doesn't actually exist - even when there is no proof!!!! Mental.
Very funny. A thumbs down. How about you have a word with your make believe mate and get him to rid the land of these dangerous slip roads. Whilst he's at it, maybe he will let you know the cure for cancer, poverty, etc.
Seriously - after all these years, you'd think society would have grown up and stopped believing in fairy tails.
I think you are a nut job on a rant, frankly, but I have to agree with some of your points: it IS the drivers who are mostly at fault -- notwithstanding the fat that there are dangerous roads too. Inherently dangerous roads.

And I gave you a thumbs up on two of your rants -- both involving the issue of religion and the flying spaghetti monster (in which I believe fervently).

But, I won't give you kudos where you resort to calling every one an idiot, moron, retard or other irrelevant and disparaging pejoratives. You are like the right-wing nut jobs in the US that rant about their right to carry guns -- equally contemptible: The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Please tell me what we call these obviously challenged people when they are acting idiotic, moronic and retarded...? Are we still allowed to call a taxi driver a taxi driver, or should we call them a person that picks people up and drops them off....? And WTF has right winged got to do with what is obviously right and wrong.....???? Idiot drivers is not political. My "rant" against them is not political. Idiot.
So, please, please do tell me how a road, in particular the Rivenhall slip road, is dangerous. What is so difficult and obviously impossible for some, with using their foot on the brake pedal to slow their car down...?
That slip road never moves. What would these people do if they came across something laying in the road, or maybe a kid run out in front of them???
With every road, weather condition you have to adjust your driving accordingly. Its not difficult. If you find it difficult - seek help. Get off the road and hand your licence in...?
Have I missed some new law that forces people to do 45mph in a 30 limit? 35mph in a 60 limit. Drive two inches from the car in front? Leave your braking till the very last metre at a junction, slip road, corner, roundabout, etc?
[quote][p][bold]/@|_|@\[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: You lot are right!!! There's obviously a dangerous slip road on the A12 at Hatfield Peveral too - a car burst into flames today!!!!!! What is going on with these slip roads trying to kill us innocent car drivers? I bet you religious nuts are crapping yourselves - it's obviously the work of the devil!!!! How else could a dormant slip road be deemed dangerous???? How long until roundabouts start spinning and spewing green puke all over us???? Maybe some prayers and Holy water would sort out these dangerous roads....? Funny, but worrying that so many people can be so deluded. It is on a par - thinking there is something there, that doesn't actually exist - even when there is no proof!!!! Mental.[/p][/quote]Very funny. A thumbs down. How about you have a word with your make believe mate and get him to rid the land of these dangerous slip roads. Whilst he's at it, maybe he will let you know the cure for cancer, poverty, etc. Seriously - after all these years, you'd think society would have grown up and stopped believing in fairy tails.[/p][/quote]I think you are a nut job on a rant, frankly, but I have to agree with some of your points: it IS the drivers who are mostly at fault -- notwithstanding the fat that there are dangerous roads too. Inherently dangerous roads. And I gave you a thumbs up on two of your rants -- both involving the issue of religion and the flying spaghetti monster (in which I believe fervently). But, I won't give you kudos where you resort to calling every one an idiot, moron, retard or other irrelevant and disparaging pejoratives. You are like the right-wing nut jobs in the US that rant about their right to carry guns -- equally contemptible: The lady doth protest too much, methinks.[/p][/quote]Please tell me what we call these obviously challenged people when they are acting idiotic, moronic and retarded...? Are we still allowed to call a taxi driver a taxi driver, or should we call them a person that picks people up and drops them off....? And WTF has right winged got to do with what is obviously right and wrong.....???? Idiot drivers is not political. My "rant" against them is not political. Idiot. So, please, please do tell me how a road, in particular the Rivenhall slip road, is dangerous. What is so difficult and obviously impossible for some, with using their foot on the brake pedal to slow their car down...? That slip road never moves. What would these people do if they came across something laying in the road, or maybe a kid run out in front of them??? With every road, weather condition you have to adjust your driving accordingly. Its not difficult. If you find it difficult - seek help. Get off the road and hand your licence in...? Have I missed some new law that forces people to do 45mph in a 30 limit? 35mph in a 60 limit. Drive two inches from the car in front? Leave your braking till the very last metre at a junction, slip road, corner, roundabout, etc? Logicalsense
  • Score: 4

3:50pm Mon 30 Jun 14

keith_l says...

Has Bhudeeka chnaged her user name to LogicalSense?
Has Bhudeeka chnaged her user name to LogicalSense? keith_l
  • Score: 2

4:14pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Logicalsense says...

keith_l wrote:
Has Bhudeeka chnaged her user name to LogicalSense?
What is it with people getting defensive about facts...? What's with the blinkers and always turning a blind eye to the actual issue???
Come on Keith_I - explain what is wrong with the facts I have stated? Maybe you can also explain how this slip road is dangerous, making it impossible for people to slow down..... I bet you can't.
[quote][p][bold]keith_l[/bold] wrote: Has Bhudeeka chnaged her user name to LogicalSense?[/p][/quote]What is it with people getting defensive about facts...? What's with the blinkers and always turning a blind eye to the actual issue??? Come on Keith_I - explain what is wrong with the facts I have stated? Maybe you can also explain how this slip road is dangerous, making it impossible for people to slow down..... I bet you can't. Logicalsense
  • Score: 0

9:50pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Logicalsense says...

Logicalsense wrote:
keith_l wrote:
Has Bhudeeka chnaged her user name to LogicalSense?
What is it with people getting defensive about facts...? What's with the blinkers and always turning a blind eye to the actual issue???
Come on Keith_I - explain what is wrong with the facts I have stated? Maybe you can also explain how this slip road is dangerous, making it impossible for people to slow down..... I bet you can't.
Amazing - a thumbs down. Very funny how none of you can actually explain how this slip road is dangerous. All you can do is defend the idiots, claiming they shouldn't be called idiots. Pathetic. Possibly the same people that think murderers should be let out halfway through their sentence....
[quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keith_l[/bold] wrote: Has Bhudeeka chnaged her user name to LogicalSense?[/p][/quote]What is it with people getting defensive about facts...? What's with the blinkers and always turning a blind eye to the actual issue??? Come on Keith_I - explain what is wrong with the facts I have stated? Maybe you can also explain how this slip road is dangerous, making it impossible for people to slow down..... I bet you can't.[/p][/quote]Amazing - a thumbs down. Very funny how none of you can actually explain how this slip road is dangerous. All you can do is defend the idiots, claiming they shouldn't be called idiots. Pathetic. Possibly the same people that think murderers should be let out halfway through their sentence.... Logicalsense
  • Score: 0

10:25am Tue 1 Jul 14

pierre-pierre says...

for any body who doesn't know the road, but knows he has to turn off, the slip road is not long enough to slow down for the sharp bend

likewise getting onto the A12 the slip road are not long enough to build up speed and join the fast traffic

get a life nutter
for any body who doesn't know the road, but knows he has to turn off, the slip road is not long enough to slow down for the sharp bend likewise getting onto the A12 the slip road are not long enough to build up speed and join the fast traffic get a life nutter pierre-pierre
  • Score: 1

10:30am Tue 1 Jul 14

The Stinker Returns says...

I'll explain how it is dangerous. You approach the slip road to join the A12. There's someone in front of you at a standstill at the very end waiting to join in first gear. There's lorry after lorry thundering up the inside lane. Eventually the person who's stopped on the slip road gets panicky and starts moving onto the A12 at 2 miles an hour. A lorry has to swerve out to avoid it. Accident happens. Seen it just like that. Also, I've almost hit someone I was following onto the A12 at Rivenhall because they ran out of slip road when they could have joined the A12 safely but panicked and breaked instead of keeping going. Dangerous.
I'll explain how it is dangerous. You approach the slip road to join the A12. There's someone in front of you at a standstill at the very end waiting to join in first gear. There's lorry after lorry thundering up the inside lane. Eventually the person who's stopped on the slip road gets panicky and starts moving onto the A12 at 2 miles an hour. A lorry has to swerve out to avoid it. Accident happens. Seen it just like that. Also, I've almost hit someone I was following onto the A12 at Rivenhall because they ran out of slip road when they could have joined the A12 safely but panicked and breaked instead of keeping going. Dangerous. The Stinker Returns
  • Score: 0

12:34pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

pierre-pierre wrote:
for any body who doesn't know the road, but knows he has to turn off, the slip road is not long enough to slow down for the sharp bend

likewise getting onto the A12 the slip road are not long enough to build up speed and join the fast traffic

get a life nutter
You doughnut. Doesn't matter how long the slip road is - idiots will still leave it till the last minute and swerve round the corner on the wrong side of the road!
The issue is people driving too close to each other and too fast. FA to do with the slip road itself.
Surely, if you don't know the road - you treat the road with caution, just in case of a blind bend or short slip road, etc.....?
When approaching ANY slip road you should be preparing to slow down - regardless of length and whether you know the road or not!
Again, you're making excuses for poor driving.
Do you go bombing down roads you don't know, flat out round a blind corner without knowing what is round it...? You muppet. Wake up.
Get a life....? What, a life like the people getting killed on the roads every day because of idiots like you making pathetic excuses for your ignorant driving....???
[quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: for any body who doesn't know the road, but knows he has to turn off, the slip road is not long enough to slow down for the sharp bend likewise getting onto the A12 the slip road are not long enough to build up speed and join the fast traffic get a life nutter[/p][/quote]You doughnut. Doesn't matter how long the slip road is - idiots will still leave it till the last minute and swerve round the corner on the wrong side of the road! The issue is people driving too close to each other and too fast. FA to do with the slip road itself. Surely, if you don't know the road - you treat the road with caution, just in case of a blind bend or short slip road, etc.....? When approaching ANY slip road you should be preparing to slow down - regardless of length and whether you know the road or not! Again, you're making excuses for poor driving. Do you go bombing down roads you don't know, flat out round a blind corner without knowing what is round it...? You muppet. Wake up. Get a life....? What, a life like the people getting killed on the roads every day because of idiots like you making pathetic excuses for your ignorant driving....??? Logicalsense
  • Score: 0

12:43pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

The Stinker Returns wrote:
I'll explain how it is dangerous. You approach the slip road to join the A12. There's someone in front of you at a standstill at the very end waiting to join in first gear. There's lorry after lorry thundering up the inside lane. Eventually the person who's stopped on the slip road gets panicky and starts moving onto the A12 at 2 miles an hour. A lorry has to swerve out to avoid it. Accident happens. Seen it just like that. Also, I've almost hit someone I was following onto the A12 at Rivenhall because they ran out of slip road when they could have joined the A12 safely but panicked and breaked instead of keeping going. Dangerous.
You idiot - you almost hit someone in front of you because they ran out of slip road....? WHY were you so close to them....? You know you can actually stop at the start of that slip road, wait until there is a gap then move off and build up your speed on the slip road to join the A12. Very simple and this would have been taught to you during your lessons. If you did this any other way - you would not pass your test - meaning you are not safe enough to drive on the road.
The moronic lorry driver thundering along should know better. He can see further than all of us and should be adjusting his speed accordingly.
What would you lot do if the road in front of you is blocked with an accident or queued up traffic....??? Oh yeah - you just plough straight into it like all the idiots the other day on the A12!!!
AGAIN, what is so difficult with people using their brake pedal and slowing down...? Is it really that important that you get where you're going as quick as possible without slowing down for anything...? More important than someones life...?
Again, just more pathetic excuses for poor driving. And until society is willing to accept this - there will be deaths every day. But of course - "it was an accident" so nothing gets done about it.
[quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: I'll explain how it is dangerous. You approach the slip road to join the A12. There's someone in front of you at a standstill at the very end waiting to join in first gear. There's lorry after lorry thundering up the inside lane. Eventually the person who's stopped on the slip road gets panicky and starts moving onto the A12 at 2 miles an hour. A lorry has to swerve out to avoid it. Accident happens. Seen it just like that. Also, I've almost hit someone I was following onto the A12 at Rivenhall because they ran out of slip road when they could have joined the A12 safely but panicked and breaked instead of keeping going. Dangerous.[/p][/quote]You idiot - you almost hit someone in front of you because they ran out of slip road....? WHY were you so close to them....? You know you can actually stop at the start of that slip road, wait until there is a gap then move off and build up your speed on the slip road to join the A12. Very simple and this would have been taught to you during your lessons. If you did this any other way - you would not pass your test - meaning you are not safe enough to drive on the road. The moronic lorry driver thundering along should know better. He can see further than all of us and should be adjusting his speed accordingly. What would you lot do if the road in front of you is blocked with an accident or queued up traffic....??? Oh yeah - you just plough straight into it like all the idiots the other day on the A12!!! AGAIN, what is so difficult with people using their brake pedal and slowing down...? Is it really that important that you get where you're going as quick as possible without slowing down for anything...? More important than someones life...? Again, just more pathetic excuses for poor driving. And until society is willing to accept this - there will be deaths every day. But of course - "it was an accident" so nothing gets done about it. Logicalsense
  • Score: 0

12:47pm Tue 1 Jul 14

pierre-pierre says...

To the absolute idiot

I showed my wife this picture

http://i654.photobuc
ket.com/albums/uu270
/pierre-pierre_2009/
rivenhal_zps4a144af7
.jpg

bearing in mind the a large hotel is on the left and its fence can be seen in the picture and its entrance is via the side road

the road speed limit s 70 mph, the side road is `30 mph, the road is straight, there are no warning signs, there is next to no slip road London bound

here comment was what idiot thinks that is safe
To the absolute idiot I showed my wife this picture http://i654.photobuc ket.com/albums/uu270 /pierre-pierre_2009/ rivenhal_zps4a144af7 .jpg bearing in mind the a large hotel is on the left and its fence can be seen in the picture and its entrance is via the side road the road speed limit s 70 mph, the side road is `30 mph, the road is straight, there are no warning signs, there is next to no slip road London bound here comment was what idiot thinks that is safe pierre-pierre
  • Score: 1

1:01pm Tue 1 Jul 14

pierre-pierre says...

just thought does LogicalSense drive a pram with dolls in it, he wouldn't last long on the A12 driving like he advocates
just thought does LogicalSense drive a pram with dolls in it, he wouldn't last long on the A12 driving like he advocates pierre-pierre
  • Score: 1

1:01pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

pierre-pierre wrote:
To the absolute idiot

I showed my wife this picture

http://i654.photobuc

ket.com/albums/uu270

/pierre-pierre_2009/

rivenhal_zps4a144af7

.jpg

bearing in mind the a large hotel is on the left and its fence can be seen in the picture and its entrance is via the side road

the road speed limit s 70 mph, the side road is `30 mph, the road is straight, there are no warning signs, there is next to no slip road London bound

here comment was what idiot thinks that is safe
Again, where are your brakes.....?
Are you saying that we need signs every few metres to warn us that we need to slow down.....?
You are a danger to the road if you think you can't slow down.
There's obviously a reason your wife married you - well suited. lol
So, what excuse you going to use if you "accidentally" kill someone when you think you don't need to brake, or there's no sign telling you...? You're pretty much driving blind mate. You would obviously fail retest.
Please tell me what is so difficult to use the brake people a slow down? How far ahead do you look? Possibly two feet to the bumper of the car in front of you....???
[quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: To the absolute idiot I showed my wife this picture http://i654.photobuc ket.com/albums/uu270 /pierre-pierre_2009/ rivenhal_zps4a144af7 .jpg bearing in mind the a large hotel is on the left and its fence can be seen in the picture and its entrance is via the side road the road speed limit s 70 mph, the side road is `30 mph, the road is straight, there are no warning signs, there is next to no slip road London bound here comment was what idiot thinks that is safe[/p][/quote]Again, where are your brakes.....? Are you saying that we need signs every few metres to warn us that we need to slow down.....? You are a danger to the road if you think you can't slow down. There's obviously a reason your wife married you - well suited. lol So, what excuse you going to use if you "accidentally" kill someone when you think you don't need to brake, or there's no sign telling you...? You're pretty much driving blind mate. You would obviously fail retest. Please tell me what is so difficult to use the brake people a slow down? How far ahead do you look? Possibly two feet to the bumper of the car in front of you....??? Logicalsense
  • Score: 0

1:08pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

pierre-pierre wrote:
To the absolute idiot

I showed my wife this picture

http://i654.photobuc

ket.com/albums/uu270

/pierre-pierre_2009/

rivenhal_zps4a144af7

.jpg

bearing in mind the a large hotel is on the left and its fence can be seen in the picture and its entrance is via the side road

the road speed limit s 70 mph, the side road is `30 mph, the road is straight, there are no warning signs, there is next to no slip road London bound

here comment was what idiot thinks that is safe
So, you're not willing to take responsibility for your own poor driving?
It's someone else's fault?
Are you aware you don't have to go from 70 to 30 within a few inches?
You do have brakes on your car? Can you see as well...?
If so, why can you not slow down approaching the slip road...?
The speed limits are stating the maximum speed for that road. Does not mean you have to do that maximum speed for every inch of that road.
Again Pierre - what is so difficult with slowing down...? It's not a race you know.
[quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: To the absolute idiot I showed my wife this picture http://i654.photobuc ket.com/albums/uu270 /pierre-pierre_2009/ rivenhal_zps4a144af7 .jpg bearing in mind the a large hotel is on the left and its fence can be seen in the picture and its entrance is via the side road the road speed limit s 70 mph, the side road is `30 mph, the road is straight, there are no warning signs, there is next to no slip road London bound here comment was what idiot thinks that is safe[/p][/quote]So, you're not willing to take responsibility for your own poor driving? It's someone else's fault? Are you aware you don't have to go from 70 to 30 within a few inches? You do have brakes on your car? Can you see as well...? If so, why can you not slow down approaching the slip road...? The speed limits are stating the maximum speed for that road. Does not mean you have to do that maximum speed for every inch of that road. Again Pierre - what is so difficult with slowing down...? It's not a race you know. Logicalsense
  • Score: 0

1:57pm Tue 1 Jul 14

pierre-pierre says...

from an Essex Police report on the A12

The car was followed at speeds of between 10 and 40 mph along the A12 trunk road.

“When officers in marked Essex Police cars attempted to stop the car in a safe place, the driver made no attempt to pull over.

“As the car was travelling at low speeds, another police car got ahead of the Fiesta and officers could then see that the car contained an elderly woman. Further attempts were made to get the lady to stop but she did not do so.

“Finally officers managed to slow the speed to that of a crawl and an officer ran alongside the fiesta and opened the door. At this stage the woman stopped her car.

“Apart form the very slow speeds that the car was travelling, officers were extremely concerned about her ability to drive the car in a safe manner.


think I am a much better driver than you who wont admit faults
from an Essex Police report on the A12 The car was followed at speeds of between 10 and 40 mph along the A12 trunk road. “When officers in marked Essex Police cars attempted to stop the car in a safe place, the driver made no attempt to pull over. “As the car was travelling at low speeds, another police car got ahead of the Fiesta and officers could then see that the car contained an elderly woman. Further attempts were made to get the lady to stop but she did not do so. “Finally officers managed to slow the speed to that of a crawl and an officer ran alongside the fiesta and opened the door. At this stage the woman stopped her car. “Apart form the very slow speeds that the car was travelling, officers were extremely concerned about her ability to drive the car in a safe manner. think I am a much better driver than you who wont admit faults pierre-pierre
  • Score: 0

2:11pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

pierre-pierre wrote:
just thought does LogicalSense drive a pram with dolls in it, he wouldn't last long on the A12 driving like he advocates
I use the A12 daily and have done for well over 20 years - in cars and on motorbikes. Not once have I ever hit anyone or been hit by someone.
You're obviously one of these retarded morons that sees nothing wrong with driving two inches from the car in front of you as well as more than likely doing 40 in a 30 limit. I bet you sit in the middle lane when not overtaking anyone.
Don't get me wrong - I love speed. Bu there is a time and place for it.
What makes you ignorant tw**s think you can drive as you like, regardless of others....? I bet you'd soon moan if someone driving like you killed a friend or member of your family. Another example of how ignorant and selfish so much of our society is now.....?
So, you're claiming we should all drive like idiots then? IS this why you can't negotiate the Rivenhall slip road safely without endangering others lives, because you're worried that you're not speeding and tailgating like the masses.....????
Again, Pierre, idiot aside, WHAT is SO difficult with slowing down when approaching a corner or a junction or a slip road....? Were you possibly one of the morons that crashed the other week on the Witham bypass - on the straight bit....? Is it because you're pathetically worried about the idiot behind you, driving too close...? Again, that's nothing to do with the road - it's all down to poor driving!!! It's very simple.
[quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: just thought does LogicalSense drive a pram with dolls in it, he wouldn't last long on the A12 driving like he advocates[/p][/quote]I use the A12 daily and have done for well over 20 years - in cars and on motorbikes. Not once have I ever hit anyone or been hit by someone. You're obviously one of these retarded morons that sees nothing wrong with driving two inches from the car in front of you as well as more than likely doing 40 in a 30 limit. I bet you sit in the middle lane when not overtaking anyone. Don't get me wrong - I love speed. Bu there is a time and place for it. What makes you ignorant tw**s think you can drive as you like, regardless of others....? I bet you'd soon moan if someone driving like you killed a friend or member of your family. Another example of how ignorant and selfish so much of our society is now.....? So, you're claiming we should all drive like idiots then? IS this why you can't negotiate the Rivenhall slip road safely without endangering others lives, because you're worried that you're not speeding and tailgating like the masses.....???? Again, Pierre, idiot aside, WHAT is SO difficult with slowing down when approaching a corner or a junction or a slip road....? Were you possibly one of the morons that crashed the other week on the Witham bypass - on the straight bit....? Is it because you're pathetically worried about the idiot behind you, driving too close...? Again, that's nothing to do with the road - it's all down to poor driving!!! It's very simple. Logicalsense
  • Score: 0

2:15pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

pierre-pierre wrote:
from an Essex Police report on the A12

The car was followed at speeds of between 10 and 40 mph along the A12 trunk road.

“When officers in marked Essex Police cars attempted to stop the car in a safe place, the driver made no attempt to pull over.

“As the car was travelling at low speeds, another police car got ahead of the Fiesta and officers could then see that the car contained an elderly woman. Further attempts were made to get the lady to stop but she did not do so.

“Finally officers managed to slow the speed to that of a crawl and an officer ran alongside the fiesta and opened the door. At this stage the woman stopped her car.

“Apart form the very slow speeds that the car was travelling, officers were extremely concerned about her ability to drive the car in a safe manner.


think I am a much better driver than you who wont admit faults
When have I stated you should be doing 10 to 40 mph on the A12...???
You seriously are retarded and not actually listening.
Obviously those speed are seriously dangerous on a dual carriage way!

You're still not answering the simple question - why do you find it so difficult to slow down approaching the Rivenhall slip road????
[quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: from an Essex Police report on the A12 The car was followed at speeds of between 10 and 40 mph along the A12 trunk road. “When officers in marked Essex Police cars attempted to stop the car in a safe place, the driver made no attempt to pull over. “As the car was travelling at low speeds, another police car got ahead of the Fiesta and officers could then see that the car contained an elderly woman. Further attempts were made to get the lady to stop but she did not do so. “Finally officers managed to slow the speed to that of a crawl and an officer ran alongside the fiesta and opened the door. At this stage the woman stopped her car. “Apart form the very slow speeds that the car was travelling, officers were extremely concerned about her ability to drive the car in a safe manner. think I am a much better driver than you who wont admit faults[/p][/quote]When have I stated you should be doing 10 to 40 mph on the A12...??? You seriously are retarded and not actually listening. Obviously those speed are seriously dangerous on a dual carriage way! You're still not answering the simple question - why do you find it so difficult to slow down approaching the Rivenhall slip road???? Logicalsense
  • Score: 1

2:23pm Tue 1 Jul 14

keith_l says...

Logicalsense wrote:
keith_l wrote:
Has Bhudeeka chnaged her user name to LogicalSense?
What is it with people getting defensive about facts...? What's with the blinkers and always turning a blind eye to the actual issue???
Come on Keith_I - explain what is wrong with the facts I have stated? Maybe you can also explain how this slip road is dangerous, making it impossible for people to slow down..... I bet you can't.
I didn't criticisise any of your facts. I was referring to the way you presented them.
[quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keith_l[/bold] wrote: Has Bhudeeka chnaged her user name to LogicalSense?[/p][/quote]What is it with people getting defensive about facts...? What's with the blinkers and always turning a blind eye to the actual issue??? Come on Keith_I - explain what is wrong with the facts I have stated? Maybe you can also explain how this slip road is dangerous, making it impossible for people to slow down..... I bet you can't.[/p][/quote]I didn't criticisise any of your facts. I was referring to the way you presented them. keith_l
  • Score: 0

2:27pm Tue 1 Jul 14

LuvtheArse says...

Very refreshing (and unusual) to read such common sense, clearly stated, factual reasoning ('Logical sense', obviously) and not surprised by the non answer arguments by those in denial of the facts he/she states.......
Focusing on the odd politically incorrect word used by someone, rather than the thrust & facts of their argument, is clearly an excuse to ignore the thrust & FACTS...
Everyone always looking to be able to blame someone else rather than face up to how poor their driving is and how negligent they are...... it's always someone elses fault, the governments, anyone else....
Very refreshing (and unusual) to read such common sense, clearly stated, factual reasoning ('Logical sense', obviously) and not surprised by the non answer arguments by those in denial of the facts he/she states....... Focusing on the odd politically incorrect word used by someone, rather than the thrust & facts of their argument, is clearly an excuse to ignore the thrust & FACTS... Everyone always looking to be able to blame someone else rather than face up to how poor their driving is and how negligent they are...... it's always someone elses fault, the governments, anyone else.... LuvtheArse
  • Score: 1

2:28pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

Come on Pierre, we're just going to keep going round in circles until you can explain why it's so difficult and impossible for you and others to slow down approaching the slip road. And explain with a valid reason that does not equate to poor driving.
Maybe we need to alter the traffic light system too...? As a lot of you morons seem to be jumping a lot of red lights.
Maybe we should have some more different coloured lights, possibly a six light system and signs a few miles in advance warning of what is another dangerous part of the road.....? Or can you slow down approaching traffic lights and stop in time...?
Come on Pierre, we're just going to keep going round in circles until you can explain why it's so difficult and impossible for you and others to slow down approaching the slip road. And explain with a valid reason that does not equate to poor driving. Maybe we need to alter the traffic light system too...? As a lot of you morons seem to be jumping a lot of red lights. Maybe we should have some more different coloured lights, possibly a six light system and signs a few miles in advance warning of what is another dangerous part of the road.....? Or can you slow down approaching traffic lights and stop in time...? Logicalsense
  • Score: 0

2:35pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

keith_l wrote:
Logicalsense wrote:
keith_l wrote:
Has Bhudeeka chnaged her user name to LogicalSense?
What is it with people getting defensive about facts...? What's with the blinkers and always turning a blind eye to the actual issue???
Come on Keith_I - explain what is wrong with the facts I have stated? Maybe you can also explain how this slip road is dangerous, making it impossible for people to slow down..... I bet you can't.
I didn't criticisise any of your facts. I was referring to the way you presented them.
This is a problem as well. The way we have to dress everything up, with the fear of offending someone - usually someone in the wrong. Strange.
The softly, softly approach obviously doesn't work.
And, again, please tell me what we should call someone that is being idiotic, or moronic....? Where are we going to draw the line....? How long until we get horses getting upset with being called a mare...? lol
[quote][p][bold]keith_l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keith_l[/bold] wrote: Has Bhudeeka chnaged her user name to LogicalSense?[/p][/quote]What is it with people getting defensive about facts...? What's with the blinkers and always turning a blind eye to the actual issue??? Come on Keith_I - explain what is wrong with the facts I have stated? Maybe you can also explain how this slip road is dangerous, making it impossible for people to slow down..... I bet you can't.[/p][/quote]I didn't criticisise any of your facts. I was referring to the way you presented them.[/p][/quote]This is a problem as well. The way we have to dress everything up, with the fear of offending someone - usually someone in the wrong. Strange. The softly, softly approach obviously doesn't work. And, again, please tell me what we should call someone that is being idiotic, or moronic....? Where are we going to draw the line....? How long until we get horses getting upset with being called a mare...? lol Logicalsense
  • Score: 1

3:20pm Tue 1 Jul 14

/@|_|@\ says...

^^ Wow. "Hubris" ring any bells? You're wrong in so many ways -- the most egregious being your complete and utter confidence in your own veracity to the exclusion of even a hint of humility or chance of being wrong.

"He who shouts loudest -- and longest -- wins", right?

Wrong, mate. Dead wrong.
^^ Wow. "Hubris" ring any bells? You're wrong in so many ways -- the most egregious being your complete and utter confidence in your own veracity to the exclusion of even a hint of humility or chance of being wrong. "He who shouts loudest -- and longest -- wins", right? Wrong, mate. Dead wrong. /@|_|@\
  • Score: 0

3:21pm Tue 1 Jul 14

The Stinker Returns says...

For God's sake. Drivers make certain stretches of road more dangerous than they should be. Poorly designed roads cause confusion and panic. How about the slip road onto the A12 at Boreham heading north? You have one lane which slips into it's own lane (nice and easy) and one lane for the speeding vehicles that can't wait for one minute more that leads directly onto what was the inside lane of the A12 leading up to the junction. I don't know how many times I have had fast cars come up the outside of that slip road onto the A12 and completely cut me up because they run out of slip road. You have to anticipate what people might do - hence me NOT actually hitting the car on the Rivenhall slip road. But it is poor planning of the road system that causes some accidents.
For God's sake. Drivers make certain stretches of road more dangerous than they should be. Poorly designed roads cause confusion and panic. How about the slip road onto the A12 at Boreham heading north? You have one lane which slips into it's own lane (nice and easy) and one lane for the speeding vehicles that can't wait for one minute more that leads directly onto what was the inside lane of the A12 leading up to the junction. I don't know how many times I have had fast cars come up the outside of that slip road onto the A12 and completely cut me up because they run out of slip road. You have to anticipate what people might do - hence me NOT actually hitting the car on the Rivenhall slip road. But it is poor planning of the road system that causes some accidents. The Stinker Returns
  • Score: 0

3:26pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

/@|_|@\ wrote:
^^ Wow. "Hubris" ring any bells? You're wrong in so many ways -- the most egregious being your complete and utter confidence in your own veracity to the exclusion of even a hint of humility or chance of being wrong.

"He who shouts loudest -- and longest -- wins", right?

Wrong, mate. Dead wrong.
Again, can you explain what makes it so difficult to slow down approaching the slip road....? Regardless of whether I'm right or wrong, ranting, etc.
Not one of you have yet explained how you cannot slow down for the slip road.
As usual, not facing up to the facts and focusing on someone that is making you look like a incompetent, dangerous driver.
Come on - one of you must be able to explain of difficult it is to slow down! Why keep moaning at me??? You're the ones claiming this road is dangerous and needs more money wasted on it, because you're not willing to admits you drive like ignorant morons.
This has absolutely FA to do with me! Simple question for a simple answer - how can you not slow down for the slip road....????
You're seriously making yourselves look like muppets - moaning, but unable to answer a simple question.
[quote][p][bold]/@|_|@\[/bold] wrote: ^^ Wow. "Hubris" ring any bells? You're wrong in so many ways -- the most egregious being your complete and utter confidence in your own veracity to the exclusion of even a hint of humility or chance of being wrong. "He who shouts loudest -- and longest -- wins", right? Wrong, mate. Dead wrong.[/p][/quote]Again, can you explain what makes it so difficult to slow down approaching the slip road....? Regardless of whether I'm right or wrong, ranting, etc. Not one of you have yet explained how you cannot slow down for the slip road. As usual, not facing up to the facts and focusing on someone that is making you look like a incompetent, dangerous driver. Come on - one of you must be able to explain of difficult it is to slow down! Why keep moaning at me??? You're the ones claiming this road is dangerous and needs more money wasted on it, because you're not willing to admits you drive like ignorant morons. This has absolutely FA to do with me! Simple question for a simple answer - how can you not slow down for the slip road....???? You're seriously making yourselves look like muppets - moaning, but unable to answer a simple question. Logicalsense
  • Score: 1

3:28pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

The Stinker Returns wrote:
For God's sake. Drivers make certain stretches of road more dangerous than they should be. Poorly designed roads cause confusion and panic. How about the slip road onto the A12 at Boreham heading north? You have one lane which slips into it's own lane (nice and easy) and one lane for the speeding vehicles that can't wait for one minute more that leads directly onto what was the inside lane of the A12 leading up to the junction. I don't know how many times I have had fast cars come up the outside of that slip road onto the A12 and completely cut me up because they run out of slip road. You have to anticipate what people might do - hence me NOT actually hitting the car on the Rivenhall slip road. But it is poor planning of the road system that causes some accidents.
Again - poor driving. Perhaps it is a poor design, BUT, you have to adjust your driving to the conditions. Are you telling me you don't slow down for anything....?
You even blamed a speeding driver running out of slip road! They'd have done the same regardless of the length of slip road, as they'd have cut up the next driver, who's backside you were two inches off! Muppet.
[quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: For God's sake. Drivers make certain stretches of road more dangerous than they should be. Poorly designed roads cause confusion and panic. How about the slip road onto the A12 at Boreham heading north? You have one lane which slips into it's own lane (nice and easy) and one lane for the speeding vehicles that can't wait for one minute more that leads directly onto what was the inside lane of the A12 leading up to the junction. I don't know how many times I have had fast cars come up the outside of that slip road onto the A12 and completely cut me up because they run out of slip road. You have to anticipate what people might do - hence me NOT actually hitting the car on the Rivenhall slip road. But it is poor planning of the road system that causes some accidents.[/p][/quote]Again - poor driving. Perhaps it is a poor design, BUT, you have to adjust your driving to the conditions. Are you telling me you don't slow down for anything....? You even blamed a speeding driver running out of slip road! They'd have done the same regardless of the length of slip road, as they'd have cut up the next driver, who's backside you were two inches off! Muppet. Logicalsense
  • Score: 1

3:34pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

/@|_|@\ wrote:
^^ Wow. "Hubris" ring any bells? You're wrong in so many ways -- the most egregious being your complete and utter confidence in your own veracity to the exclusion of even a hint of humility or chance of being wrong.

"He who shouts loudest -- and longest -- wins", right?

Wrong, mate. Dead wrong.
And seriously - WTF has Greek mythology got to do with idiots driving lie morons and killing people just because they don't want to slow down?!?!?
Regardless of me shouting/spouting what you think is wrong or I think is right - the fact is, people are getting killed daily on our roads from idiots driving like morons....... YES OR NO....?

So, whatever your daft name is, what do you suggest to stop all the idiots from killing people? How do you want the Highway Agency to improve the slip road at our cost...? And do you really think it will solve the problem?
Are you suggesting we just keep quiet and let this carry on...?
Being a possible religious nut, are you willing to sacrifice one of your family or friends....? Would you not be a little peeved at your loss.....? Or would you start the old crap of heavens got a new angel and all the bull...?
[quote][p][bold]/@|_|@\[/bold] wrote: ^^ Wow. "Hubris" ring any bells? You're wrong in so many ways -- the most egregious being your complete and utter confidence in your own veracity to the exclusion of even a hint of humility or chance of being wrong. "He who shouts loudest -- and longest -- wins", right? Wrong, mate. Dead wrong.[/p][/quote]And seriously - WTF has Greek mythology got to do with idiots driving lie morons and killing people just because they don't want to slow down?!?!? Regardless of me shouting/spouting what you think is wrong or I think is right - the fact is, people are getting killed daily on our roads from idiots driving like morons....... YES OR NO....? So, whatever your daft name is, what do you suggest to stop all the idiots from killing people? How do you want the Highway Agency to improve the slip road at our cost...? And do you really think it will solve the problem? Are you suggesting we just keep quiet and let this carry on...? Being a possible religious nut, are you willing to sacrifice one of your family or friends....? Would you not be a little peeved at your loss.....? Or would you start the old crap of heavens got a new angel and all the bull...? Logicalsense
  • Score: 1

3:38pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

The Stinker Returns wrote:
For God's sake. Drivers make certain stretches of road more dangerous than they should be. Poorly designed roads cause confusion and panic. How about the slip road onto the A12 at Boreham heading north? You have one lane which slips into it's own lane (nice and easy) and one lane for the speeding vehicles that can't wait for one minute more that leads directly onto what was the inside lane of the A12 leading up to the junction. I don't know how many times I have had fast cars come up the outside of that slip road onto the A12 and completely cut me up because they run out of slip road. You have to anticipate what people might do - hence me NOT actually hitting the car on the Rivenhall slip road. But it is poor planning of the road system that causes some accidents.
Do you not think, even if all the roads, signage, etc, were not "dangerous" as you claim, that the morons will still drive like morons and kill people?
Do you really think improved road design will cure these idiots over night?
They will all adjust their driving - slow down when needed, keep a safe distance from other vehicles, etc, etc....?
[quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: For God's sake. Drivers make certain stretches of road more dangerous than they should be. Poorly designed roads cause confusion and panic. How about the slip road onto the A12 at Boreham heading north? You have one lane which slips into it's own lane (nice and easy) and one lane for the speeding vehicles that can't wait for one minute more that leads directly onto what was the inside lane of the A12 leading up to the junction. I don't know how many times I have had fast cars come up the outside of that slip road onto the A12 and completely cut me up because they run out of slip road. You have to anticipate what people might do - hence me NOT actually hitting the car on the Rivenhall slip road. But it is poor planning of the road system that causes some accidents.[/p][/quote]Do you not think, even if all the roads, signage, etc, were not "dangerous" as you claim, that the morons will still drive like morons and kill people? Do you really think improved road design will cure these idiots over night? They will all adjust their driving - slow down when needed, keep a safe distance from other vehicles, etc, etc....? Logicalsense
  • Score: 0

4:45pm Tue 1 Jul 14

The Stinker Returns says...

Logicalsense wrote:
The Stinker Returns wrote:
For God's sake. Drivers make certain stretches of road more dangerous than they should be. Poorly designed roads cause confusion and panic. How about the slip road onto the A12 at Boreham heading north? You have one lane which slips into it's own lane (nice and easy) and one lane for the speeding vehicles that can't wait for one minute more that leads directly onto what was the inside lane of the A12 leading up to the junction. I don't know how many times I have had fast cars come up the outside of that slip road onto the A12 and completely cut me up because they run out of slip road. You have to anticipate what people might do - hence me NOT actually hitting the car on the Rivenhall slip road. But it is poor planning of the road system that causes some accidents.
Again - poor driving. Perhaps it is a poor design, BUT, you have to adjust your driving to the conditions. Are you telling me you don't slow down for anything....?
You even blamed a speeding driver running out of slip road! They'd have done the same regardless of the length of slip road, as they'd have cut up the next driver, who's backside you were two inches off! Muppet.
No need to call me a muppet - you don't know me and insulting people is rather childish, although you have done exactly that to anyone who disagrees with your view - rather arrogant in my book. I must have slowed down to avoid a collision - I am still here you know. But when you've got someone up your backside and streams of traffic in the outside lane and a fast car approach a short slip entrance from the left you sure do have to have your wits about you.
[quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: For God's sake. Drivers make certain stretches of road more dangerous than they should be. Poorly designed roads cause confusion and panic. How about the slip road onto the A12 at Boreham heading north? You have one lane which slips into it's own lane (nice and easy) and one lane for the speeding vehicles that can't wait for one minute more that leads directly onto what was the inside lane of the A12 leading up to the junction. I don't know how many times I have had fast cars come up the outside of that slip road onto the A12 and completely cut me up because they run out of slip road. You have to anticipate what people might do - hence me NOT actually hitting the car on the Rivenhall slip road. But it is poor planning of the road system that causes some accidents.[/p][/quote]Again - poor driving. Perhaps it is a poor design, BUT, you have to adjust your driving to the conditions. Are you telling me you don't slow down for anything....? You even blamed a speeding driver running out of slip road! They'd have done the same regardless of the length of slip road, as they'd have cut up the next driver, who's backside you were two inches off! Muppet.[/p][/quote]No need to call me a muppet - you don't know me and insulting people is rather childish, although you have done exactly that to anyone who disagrees with your view - rather arrogant in my book. I must have slowed down to avoid a collision - I am still here you know. But when you've got someone up your backside and streams of traffic in the outside lane and a fast car approach a short slip entrance from the left you sure do have to have your wits about you. The Stinker Returns
  • Score: 0

4:54pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

The Stinker Returns wrote:
Logicalsense wrote:
The Stinker Returns wrote:
For God's sake. Drivers make certain stretches of road more dangerous than they should be. Poorly designed roads cause confusion and panic. How about the slip road onto the A12 at Boreham heading north? You have one lane which slips into it's own lane (nice and easy) and one lane for the speeding vehicles that can't wait for one minute more that leads directly onto what was the inside lane of the A12 leading up to the junction. I don't know how many times I have had fast cars come up the outside of that slip road onto the A12 and completely cut me up because they run out of slip road. You have to anticipate what people might do - hence me NOT actually hitting the car on the Rivenhall slip road. But it is poor planning of the road system that causes some accidents.
Again - poor driving. Perhaps it is a poor design, BUT, you have to adjust your driving to the conditions. Are you telling me you don't slow down for anything....?
You even blamed a speeding driver running out of slip road! They'd have done the same regardless of the length of slip road, as they'd have cut up the next driver, who's backside you were two inches off! Muppet.
No need to call me a muppet - you don't know me and insulting people is rather childish, although you have done exactly that to anyone who disagrees with your view - rather arrogant in my book. I must have slowed down to avoid a collision - I am still here you know. But when you've got someone up your backside and streams of traffic in the outside lane and a fast car approach a short slip entrance from the left you sure do have to have your wits about you.
Which is the fault of dangerous driving - not a dangerous road.
Come on, you must know that these idiots will still drive like idiots.
There is nothing you can do to the design of a slip road, junction, etc, that will stop these people causing mayhem.
You keep admitting it with saying people leaving it till the last minute to pull over, sitting too close, etc. Which has nothing to do with the road - it's the drivers!
How do you explain the multiple pile ups on straight stretches of road - like the one on the A12 the other morning??? Was that a poorly designed bit of road...? Regardless of doughnut lorry drivers trying to overtake for four plus miles, holding up people, idiots sat in the wrong lane, etc - it is still driving too close to the vehicle in front that causes these crashes.
[quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: For God's sake. Drivers make certain stretches of road more dangerous than they should be. Poorly designed roads cause confusion and panic. How about the slip road onto the A12 at Boreham heading north? You have one lane which slips into it's own lane (nice and easy) and one lane for the speeding vehicles that can't wait for one minute more that leads directly onto what was the inside lane of the A12 leading up to the junction. I don't know how many times I have had fast cars come up the outside of that slip road onto the A12 and completely cut me up because they run out of slip road. You have to anticipate what people might do - hence me NOT actually hitting the car on the Rivenhall slip road. But it is poor planning of the road system that causes some accidents.[/p][/quote]Again - poor driving. Perhaps it is a poor design, BUT, you have to adjust your driving to the conditions. Are you telling me you don't slow down for anything....? You even blamed a speeding driver running out of slip road! They'd have done the same regardless of the length of slip road, as they'd have cut up the next driver, who's backside you were two inches off! Muppet.[/p][/quote]No need to call me a muppet - you don't know me and insulting people is rather childish, although you have done exactly that to anyone who disagrees with your view - rather arrogant in my book. I must have slowed down to avoid a collision - I am still here you know. But when you've got someone up your backside and streams of traffic in the outside lane and a fast car approach a short slip entrance from the left you sure do have to have your wits about you.[/p][/quote]Which is the fault of dangerous driving - not a dangerous road. Come on, you must know that these idiots will still drive like idiots. There is nothing you can do to the design of a slip road, junction, etc, that will stop these people causing mayhem. You keep admitting it with saying people leaving it till the last minute to pull over, sitting too close, etc. Which has nothing to do with the road - it's the drivers! How do you explain the multiple pile ups on straight stretches of road - like the one on the A12 the other morning??? Was that a poorly designed bit of road...? Regardless of doughnut lorry drivers trying to overtake for four plus miles, holding up people, idiots sat in the wrong lane, etc - it is still driving too close to the vehicle in front that causes these crashes. Logicalsense
  • Score: 1

6:07pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

The Stinker Returns wrote:
Logicalsense wrote:
The Stinker Returns wrote:
For God's sake. Drivers make certain stretches of road more dangerous than they should be. Poorly designed roads cause confusion and panic. How about the slip road onto the A12 at Boreham heading north? You have one lane which slips into it's own lane (nice and easy) and one lane for the speeding vehicles that can't wait for one minute more that leads directly onto what was the inside lane of the A12 leading up to the junction. I don't know how many times I have had fast cars come up the outside of that slip road onto the A12 and completely cut me up because they run out of slip road. You have to anticipate what people might do - hence me NOT actually hitting the car on the Rivenhall slip road. But it is poor planning of the road system that causes some accidents.
Again - poor driving. Perhaps it is a poor design, BUT, you have to adjust your driving to the conditions. Are you telling me you don't slow down for anything....?
You even blamed a speeding driver running out of slip road! They'd have done the same regardless of the length of slip road, as they'd have cut up the next driver, who's backside you were two inches off! Muppet.
No need to call me a muppet - you don't know me and insulting people is rather childish, although you have done exactly that to anyone who disagrees with your view - rather arrogant in my book. I must have slowed down to avoid a collision - I am still here you know. But when you've got someone up your backside and streams of traffic in the outside lane and a fast car approach a short slip entrance from the left you sure do have to have your wits about you.
Also, if someone is up your backside - that is no fault of yours and why should you speed up because the idiot behind is impatient...? Are you willing then to speed up and break the speed limit, putting yourself at risk of 3 points and a £60 fine, just to keep the idiot behind happy..? Even though, whatever speed you do - he will still be stuck up your backside.
Again, how is any new road layout going to stop this....? As I keep saying, it is not the roads - it's the drivers. How is stating a simple fact arrogant..?
Why are you all making excuses for poor driving....? Will you make those same excuses for these people if they crash into you...? Maybe kill a family member or friend.....? Going to give me the usual cop out answer - well, you're insured. Nice.
[quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: For God's sake. Drivers make certain stretches of road more dangerous than they should be. Poorly designed roads cause confusion and panic. How about the slip road onto the A12 at Boreham heading north? You have one lane which slips into it's own lane (nice and easy) and one lane for the speeding vehicles that can't wait for one minute more that leads directly onto what was the inside lane of the A12 leading up to the junction. I don't know how many times I have had fast cars come up the outside of that slip road onto the A12 and completely cut me up because they run out of slip road. You have to anticipate what people might do - hence me NOT actually hitting the car on the Rivenhall slip road. But it is poor planning of the road system that causes some accidents.[/p][/quote]Again - poor driving. Perhaps it is a poor design, BUT, you have to adjust your driving to the conditions. Are you telling me you don't slow down for anything....? You even blamed a speeding driver running out of slip road! They'd have done the same regardless of the length of slip road, as they'd have cut up the next driver, who's backside you were two inches off! Muppet.[/p][/quote]No need to call me a muppet - you don't know me and insulting people is rather childish, although you have done exactly that to anyone who disagrees with your view - rather arrogant in my book. I must have slowed down to avoid a collision - I am still here you know. But when you've got someone up your backside and streams of traffic in the outside lane and a fast car approach a short slip entrance from the left you sure do have to have your wits about you.[/p][/quote]Also, if someone is up your backside - that is no fault of yours and why should you speed up because the idiot behind is impatient...? Are you willing then to speed up and break the speed limit, putting yourself at risk of 3 points and a £60 fine, just to keep the idiot behind happy..? Even though, whatever speed you do - he will still be stuck up your backside. Again, how is any new road layout going to stop this....? As I keep saying, it is not the roads - it's the drivers. How is stating a simple fact arrogant..? Why are you all making excuses for poor driving....? Will you make those same excuses for these people if they crash into you...? Maybe kill a family member or friend.....? Going to give me the usual cop out answer - well, you're insured. Nice. Logicalsense
  • Score: -1

9:36pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

Logicalsense wrote:
The Stinker Returns wrote:
Logicalsense wrote:
The Stinker Returns wrote:
For God's sake. Drivers make certain stretches of road more dangerous than they should be. Poorly designed roads cause confusion and panic. How about the slip road onto the A12 at Boreham heading north? You have one lane which slips into it's own lane (nice and easy) and one lane for the speeding vehicles that can't wait for one minute more that leads directly onto what was the inside lane of the A12 leading up to the junction. I don't know how many times I have had fast cars come up the outside of that slip road onto the A12 and completely cut me up because they run out of slip road. You have to anticipate what people might do - hence me NOT actually hitting the car on the Rivenhall slip road. But it is poor planning of the road system that causes some accidents.
Again - poor driving. Perhaps it is a poor design, BUT, you have to adjust your driving to the conditions. Are you telling me you don't slow down for anything....?
You even blamed a speeding driver running out of slip road! They'd have done the same regardless of the length of slip road, as they'd have cut up the next driver, who's backside you were two inches off! Muppet.
No need to call me a muppet - you don't know me and insulting people is rather childish, although you have done exactly that to anyone who disagrees with your view - rather arrogant in my book. I must have slowed down to avoid a collision - I am still here you know. But when you've got someone up your backside and streams of traffic in the outside lane and a fast car approach a short slip entrance from the left you sure do have to have your wits about you.
Also, if someone is up your backside - that is no fault of yours and why should you speed up because the idiot behind is impatient...? Are you willing then to speed up and break the speed limit, putting yourself at risk of 3 points and a £60 fine, just to keep the idiot behind happy..? Even though, whatever speed you do - he will still be stuck up your backside.
Again, how is any new road layout going to stop this....? As I keep saying, it is not the roads - it's the drivers. How is stating a simple fact arrogant..?
Why are you all making excuses for poor driving....? Will you make those same excuses for these people if they crash into you...? Maybe kill a family member or friend.....? Going to give me the usual cop out answer - well, you're insured. Nice.
Thumbs down...? Come on then, who's the ignorant idiot....???
Think there's nothing wrong with speeding....? I'd be well up for an unlimited speed limit on the motorways, but as most of you morons can't drive properly, it would be more dangerous than it already is!!! lol
Or maybe you didn't like the end part of the comment....? Please explain.
And still - no one able to explain why it's so difficult for so many of you to slow down when approaching a corner or junction..... Amazing. Pretty much shows it would be a complete waste of money for the Highway Agency to do whatever you muppets think will solve the problem.
Come on - you seriously think doubling the length of the slip roads and better signage will stop the idiots from crashing....? Are you forgetting they crash on straight bits of the road and at all speeds - even 5mph in a queue!!!! Surely that proves they are incapable idiots..? What else can it be...? Any of you muppets willing to stand up and admit responsibility for your own actions and tell us why you managed to crash into the car in front at 5mph in a queue....?
[quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: For God's sake. Drivers make certain stretches of road more dangerous than they should be. Poorly designed roads cause confusion and panic. How about the slip road onto the A12 at Boreham heading north? You have one lane which slips into it's own lane (nice and easy) and one lane for the speeding vehicles that can't wait for one minute more that leads directly onto what was the inside lane of the A12 leading up to the junction. I don't know how many times I have had fast cars come up the outside of that slip road onto the A12 and completely cut me up because they run out of slip road. You have to anticipate what people might do - hence me NOT actually hitting the car on the Rivenhall slip road. But it is poor planning of the road system that causes some accidents.[/p][/quote]Again - poor driving. Perhaps it is a poor design, BUT, you have to adjust your driving to the conditions. Are you telling me you don't slow down for anything....? You even blamed a speeding driver running out of slip road! They'd have done the same regardless of the length of slip road, as they'd have cut up the next driver, who's backside you were two inches off! Muppet.[/p][/quote]No need to call me a muppet - you don't know me and insulting people is rather childish, although you have done exactly that to anyone who disagrees with your view - rather arrogant in my book. I must have slowed down to avoid a collision - I am still here you know. But when you've got someone up your backside and streams of traffic in the outside lane and a fast car approach a short slip entrance from the left you sure do have to have your wits about you.[/p][/quote]Also, if someone is up your backside - that is no fault of yours and why should you speed up because the idiot behind is impatient...? Are you willing then to speed up and break the speed limit, putting yourself at risk of 3 points and a £60 fine, just to keep the idiot behind happy..? Even though, whatever speed you do - he will still be stuck up your backside. Again, how is any new road layout going to stop this....? As I keep saying, it is not the roads - it's the drivers. How is stating a simple fact arrogant..? Why are you all making excuses for poor driving....? Will you make those same excuses for these people if they crash into you...? Maybe kill a family member or friend.....? Going to give me the usual cop out answer - well, you're insured. Nice.[/p][/quote]Thumbs down...? Come on then, who's the ignorant idiot....??? Think there's nothing wrong with speeding....? I'd be well up for an unlimited speed limit on the motorways, but as most of you morons can't drive properly, it would be more dangerous than it already is!!! lol Or maybe you didn't like the end part of the comment....? Please explain. And still - no one able to explain why it's so difficult for so many of you to slow down when approaching a corner or junction..... Amazing. Pretty much shows it would be a complete waste of money for the Highway Agency to do whatever you muppets think will solve the problem. Come on - you seriously think doubling the length of the slip roads and better signage will stop the idiots from crashing....? Are you forgetting they crash on straight bits of the road and at all speeds - even 5mph in a queue!!!! Surely that proves they are incapable idiots..? What else can it be...? Any of you muppets willing to stand up and admit responsibility for your own actions and tell us why you managed to crash into the car in front at 5mph in a queue....? Logicalsense
  • Score: -1

9:51pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

It's just dawned on me!!! You lot that are not willing to accept it's poor driving and keep blaming the roads and the Highway Agency, etc. are more than likely the same people that kept turning a blind eye to ol' Jimi and his mate dirty Rolf - but now screaming blue murder!!! Very funny. Mugs!
It's just dawned on me!!! You lot that are not willing to accept it's poor driving and keep blaming the roads and the Highway Agency, etc. are more than likely the same people that kept turning a blind eye to ol' Jimi and his mate dirty Rolf - but now screaming blue murder!!! Very funny. Mugs! Logicalsense
  • Score: -1

8:51am Wed 2 Jul 14

The Stinker Returns says...

Logicalsense wrote:
It's just dawned on me!!! You lot that are not willing to accept it's poor driving and keep blaming the roads and the Highway Agency, etc. are more than likely the same people that kept turning a blind eye to ol' Jimi and his mate dirty Rolf - but now screaming blue murder!!! Very funny. Mugs!
Get over yourself. I think everyone knows that poor driving causes accidents. What we are saying is that poor road layout encourages it. Look at the slip road off the A12 to Shenfield. Very clear, nice and long, lots of chance to make your mind up. Humans will always be humans and make mistakes and poor judgement and drivers, like myself, try my best to allow for this. If I've got someone practically hitting my bumper on the A12 because I'm only doing 70mph then I do not feel safe for myself or my passengers but that has nothing to do with poor road layout.
[quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: It's just dawned on me!!! You lot that are not willing to accept it's poor driving and keep blaming the roads and the Highway Agency, etc. are more than likely the same people that kept turning a blind eye to ol' Jimi and his mate dirty Rolf - but now screaming blue murder!!! Very funny. Mugs![/p][/quote]Get over yourself. I think everyone knows that poor driving causes accidents. What we are saying is that poor road layout encourages it. Look at the slip road off the A12 to Shenfield. Very clear, nice and long, lots of chance to make your mind up. Humans will always be humans and make mistakes and poor judgement and drivers, like myself, try my best to allow for this. If I've got someone practically hitting my bumper on the A12 because I'm only doing 70mph then I do not feel safe for myself or my passengers but that has nothing to do with poor road layout. The Stinker Returns
  • Score: 1

1:04pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

The Stinker Returns wrote:
Logicalsense wrote:
It's just dawned on me!!! You lot that are not willing to accept it's poor driving and keep blaming the roads and the Highway Agency, etc. are more than likely the same people that kept turning a blind eye to ol' Jimi and his mate dirty Rolf - but now screaming blue murder!!! Very funny. Mugs!
Get over yourself. I think everyone knows that poor driving causes accidents. What we are saying is that poor road layout encourages it. Look at the slip road off the A12 to Shenfield. Very clear, nice and long, lots of chance to make your mind up. Humans will always be humans and make mistakes and poor judgement and drivers, like myself, try my best to allow for this. If I've got someone practically hitting my bumper on the A12 because I'm only doing 70mph then I do not feel safe for myself or my passengers but that has nothing to do with poor road layout.
You'll still get idiots leaving it till the last minute, to cut across from being sat in the middle lane.
Amazing - how my first reply to your pathetic comment was reported and removed.
Ridiculous how you're all willing to accept daily deaths on our roads due to idiots, but get offended by a comment! You're a bunch of ignorant, selfish, pathetic, excuse making muppets.
Go ahead, spend a fortune on extended the slip road pointlessly, then start moaning again when nothing changes and you still get idiot drivers crashing there. You muppets.
[quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: It's just dawned on me!!! You lot that are not willing to accept it's poor driving and keep blaming the roads and the Highway Agency, etc. are more than likely the same people that kept turning a blind eye to ol' Jimi and his mate dirty Rolf - but now screaming blue murder!!! Very funny. Mugs![/p][/quote]Get over yourself. I think everyone knows that poor driving causes accidents. What we are saying is that poor road layout encourages it. Look at the slip road off the A12 to Shenfield. Very clear, nice and long, lots of chance to make your mind up. Humans will always be humans and make mistakes and poor judgement and drivers, like myself, try my best to allow for this. If I've got someone practically hitting my bumper on the A12 because I'm only doing 70mph then I do not feel safe for myself or my passengers but that has nothing to do with poor road layout.[/p][/quote]You'll still get idiots leaving it till the last minute, to cut across from being sat in the middle lane. Amazing - how my first reply to your pathetic comment was reported and removed. Ridiculous how you're all willing to accept daily deaths on our roads due to idiots, but get offended by a comment! You're a bunch of ignorant, selfish, pathetic, excuse making muppets. Go ahead, spend a fortune on extended the slip road pointlessly, then start moaning again when nothing changes and you still get idiot drivers crashing there. You muppets. Logicalsense
  • Score: -1

1:09pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

Accuse me of ranting and being abusive - with you claiming to be offended. Just shows how screwed up society is, when it can accept daily deaths on the road, but not someone voicing their opinion. Amazing.
Accuse me of ranting and being abusive - with you claiming to be offended. Just shows how screwed up society is, when it can accept daily deaths on the road, but not someone voicing their opinion. Amazing. Logicalsense
  • Score: -1

3:28pm Wed 2 Jul 14

/@|_|@\ says...

Accuse you? LMAO. There is no need to "accuse": it is self-evident what a repulsive character you are. Maybe your points have merit (very few and little -- if any -- IMO) but the way in which you put them alienates the morons, idiots, muppets and other retards to whom they are addressed. It is you that appears to be the "muppet", "idiot" and mentally challenged "moron". I suggest you just go away. You're done here and for what it's worth, I think you achieved nothing with your puerile discharge.
Accuse you? LMAO. There is no need to "accuse": it is self-evident what a repulsive character you are. Maybe your points have merit (very few and little -- if any -- IMO) but the way in which you put them alienates the morons, idiots, muppets and other retards to whom they are addressed. It is you that appears to be the "muppet", "idiot" and mentally challenged "moron". I suggest you just go away. You're done here and for what it's worth, I think you achieved nothing with your puerile discharge. /@|_|@\
  • Score: 0

4:06pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

/@|_|@\ wrote:
Accuse you? LMAO. There is no need to "accuse": it is self-evident what a repulsive character you are. Maybe your points have merit (very few and little -- if any -- IMO) but the way in which you put them alienates the morons, idiots, muppets and other retards to whom they are addressed. It is you that appears to be the "muppet", "idiot" and mentally challenged "moron". I suggest you just go away. You're done here and for what it's worth, I think you achieved nothing with your puerile discharge.
Seriously? So you are happy with the death toll on our roads..... see nothing wrong with it....? Amazing.
Amazing that a few opinions and words can be more repulsive than death caused by an ignorant, selfish idiot.
Don't tell me - religious nut.....?
VERY worrying that people like you exist. On the dole too by any chance...?
[quote][p][bold]/@|_|@\[/bold] wrote: Accuse you? LMAO. There is no need to "accuse": it is self-evident what a repulsive character you are. Maybe your points have merit (very few and little -- if any -- IMO) but the way in which you put them alienates the morons, idiots, muppets and other retards to whom they are addressed. It is you that appears to be the "muppet", "idiot" and mentally challenged "moron". I suggest you just go away. You're done here and for what it's worth, I think you achieved nothing with your puerile discharge.[/p][/quote]Seriously? So you are happy with the death toll on our roads..... see nothing wrong with it....? Amazing. Amazing that a few opinions and words can be more repulsive than death caused by an ignorant, selfish idiot. Don't tell me - religious nut.....? VERY worrying that people like you exist. On the dole too by any chance...? Logicalsense
  • Score: 1

4:08pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

/@|_|@\ wrote:
Accuse you? LMAO. There is no need to "accuse": it is self-evident what a repulsive character you are. Maybe your points have merit (very few and little -- if any -- IMO) but the way in which you put them alienates the morons, idiots, muppets and other retards to whom they are addressed. It is you that appears to be the "muppet", "idiot" and mentally challenged "moron". I suggest you just go away. You're done here and for what it's worth, I think you achieved nothing with your puerile discharge.
And you still can't answer the simple question - why is it so difficult to slow down on the slip....?
[quote][p][bold]/@|_|@\[/bold] wrote: Accuse you? LMAO. There is no need to "accuse": it is self-evident what a repulsive character you are. Maybe your points have merit (very few and little -- if any -- IMO) but the way in which you put them alienates the morons, idiots, muppets and other retards to whom they are addressed. It is you that appears to be the "muppet", "idiot" and mentally challenged "moron". I suggest you just go away. You're done here and for what it's worth, I think you achieved nothing with your puerile discharge.[/p][/quote]And you still can't answer the simple question - why is it so difficult to slow down on the slip....? Logicalsense
  • Score: 1

4:13pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

/@|_|@\ wrote:
Accuse you? LMAO. There is no need to "accuse": it is self-evident what a repulsive character you are. Maybe your points have merit (very few and little -- if any -- IMO) but the way in which you put them alienates the morons, idiots, muppets and other retards to whom they are addressed. It is you that appears to be the "muppet", "idiot" and mentally challenged "moron". I suggest you just go away. You're done here and for what it's worth, I think you achieved nothing with your puerile discharge.
So what is your actual opinion regarding the supposedly dangerous slip road...? Interested in your opinion regarding the death toll on our roads too - does it not bother you....?
All you have done is made excuses for poor driving and been offended by me calling a spade a spade. Pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]/@|_|@\[/bold] wrote: Accuse you? LMAO. There is no need to "accuse": it is self-evident what a repulsive character you are. Maybe your points have merit (very few and little -- if any -- IMO) but the way in which you put them alienates the morons, idiots, muppets and other retards to whom they are addressed. It is you that appears to be the "muppet", "idiot" and mentally challenged "moron". I suggest you just go away. You're done here and for what it's worth, I think you achieved nothing with your puerile discharge.[/p][/quote]So what is your actual opinion regarding the supposedly dangerous slip road...? Interested in your opinion regarding the death toll on our roads too - does it not bother you....? All you have done is made excuses for poor driving and been offended by me calling a spade a spade. Pathetic. Logicalsense
  • Score: 1

7:49am Thu 3 Jul 14

pierre-pierre says...

to pathetic

when I took my advance Drive and Survive driving course with Police instructors we had to drive from Ipswitch to Colchester at normal road speed on the A12 without touching the brakes (there was a light on the dash that showed when we did)

so please, when you learn to observe the road, dont call me one of the obnoxious terms which are against the rules of this section
to pathetic when I took my advance Drive and Survive driving course with Police instructors we had to drive from Ipswitch to Colchester at normal road speed on the A12 without touching the brakes (there was a light on the dash that showed when we did) so please, when you learn to observe the road, dont call me one of the obnoxious terms which are against the rules of this section pierre-pierre
  • Score: 0

8:11am Thu 3 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

pierre-pierre wrote:
to pathetic

when I took my advance Drive and Survive driving course with Police instructors we had to drive from Ipswitch to Colchester at normal road speed on the A12 without touching the brakes (there was a light on the dash that showed when we did)

so please, when you learn to observe the road, dont call me one of the obnoxious terms which are against the rules of this section
Still does not answer my two simple questions.
When I learn to observe the road....? So I'm dreaming that so many are driving too close, constantly going round corners on the wrong side of the road.....?
What is it with you lot turning this around and making out I am the poor driver, as well as getting offended by my language...? Yet
not bothered by the deaths on the road....
This thread is regarding a supposedly dangerous slip road that you want thousands spent on, thinking it will solve the problem of dangerous driving. You're still ignoring the facts.
Pierre - if you have done all this advanced driving - why are you claiming the slip road is too dangerous to slow down safely.....? What a total waste of time and money, doing all that training. Was possibly just to add to your boring conversations when meeting new people...? Possible attempt at getting cheaper insurance.....? You obviously don't use what you learnt if you struggle to negotiate a simple slip road and corner.
Still - no one willing to actually explain how it is so difficult to slow down on that slip road. Nor why straight bits of the A12 are supposedly so dangerous.
Again, just excuses and turning it round on to someone else.
Just had a thought, shall we also out law fog and heavy rain....? What do you lot do in those situations...? Do you possibly adjust your driving to suit the conditions....? If so, why don't you use that initiative when approaching a possibly poorly design road lay out, or sharp corner, short slip road....?
[quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: to pathetic when I took my advance Drive and Survive driving course with Police instructors we had to drive from Ipswitch to Colchester at normal road speed on the A12 without touching the brakes (there was a light on the dash that showed when we did) so please, when you learn to observe the road, dont call me one of the obnoxious terms which are against the rules of this section[/p][/quote]Still does not answer my two simple questions. When I learn to observe the road....? So I'm dreaming that so many are driving too close, constantly going round corners on the wrong side of the road.....? What is it with you lot turning this around and making out I am the poor driver, as well as getting offended by my language...? Yet not bothered by the deaths on the road.... This thread is regarding a supposedly dangerous slip road that you want thousands spent on, thinking it will solve the problem of dangerous driving. You're still ignoring the facts. Pierre - if you have done all this advanced driving - why are you claiming the slip road is too dangerous to slow down safely.....? What a total waste of time and money, doing all that training. Was possibly just to add to your boring conversations when meeting new people...? Possible attempt at getting cheaper insurance.....? You obviously don't use what you learnt if you struggle to negotiate a simple slip road and corner. Still - no one willing to actually explain how it is so difficult to slow down on that slip road. Nor why straight bits of the A12 are supposedly so dangerous. Again, just excuses and turning it round on to someone else. Just had a thought, shall we also out law fog and heavy rain....? What do you lot do in those situations...? Do you possibly adjust your driving to suit the conditions....? If so, why don't you use that initiative when approaching a possibly poorly design road lay out, or sharp corner, short slip road....? Logicalsense
  • Score: -1

8:23am Thu 3 Jul 14

pierre-pierre says...

Logicalsense wrote:
pierre-pierre wrote:
to pathetic

when I took my advance Drive and Survive driving course with Police instructors we had to drive from Ipswitch to Colchester at normal road speed on the A12 without touching the brakes (there was a light on the dash that showed when we did)

so please, when you learn to observe the road, dont call me one of the obnoxious terms which are against the rules of this section
Still does not answer my two simple questions.
When I learn to observe the road....? So I'm dreaming that so many are driving too close, constantly going round corners on the wrong side of the road.....?
What is it with you lot turning this around and making out I am the poor driver, as well as getting offended by my language...? Yet
not bothered by the deaths on the road....
This thread is regarding a supposedly dangerous slip road that you want thousands spent on, thinking it will solve the problem of dangerous driving. You're still ignoring the facts.
Pierre - if you have done all this advanced driving - why are you claiming the slip road is too dangerous to slow down safely.....? What a total waste of time and money, doing all that training. Was possibly just to add to your boring conversations when meeting new people...? Possible attempt at getting cheaper insurance.....? You obviously don't use what you learnt if you struggle to negotiate a simple slip road and corner.
Still - no one willing to actually explain how it is so difficult to slow down on that slip road. Nor why straight bits of the A12 are supposedly so dangerous.
Again, just excuses and turning it round on to someone else.
Just had a thought, shall we also out law fog and heavy rain....? What do you lot do in those situations...? Do you possibly adjust your driving to suit the conditions....? If so, why don't you use that initiative when approaching a possibly poorly design road lay out, or sharp corner, short slip road....?
its because I am an advanced driver and not an absolute nutter
[quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: to pathetic when I took my advance Drive and Survive driving course with Police instructors we had to drive from Ipswitch to Colchester at normal road speed on the A12 without touching the brakes (there was a light on the dash that showed when we did) so please, when you learn to observe the road, dont call me one of the obnoxious terms which are against the rules of this section[/p][/quote]Still does not answer my two simple questions. When I learn to observe the road....? So I'm dreaming that so many are driving too close, constantly going round corners on the wrong side of the road.....? What is it with you lot turning this around and making out I am the poor driver, as well as getting offended by my language...? Yet not bothered by the deaths on the road.... This thread is regarding a supposedly dangerous slip road that you want thousands spent on, thinking it will solve the problem of dangerous driving. You're still ignoring the facts. Pierre - if you have done all this advanced driving - why are you claiming the slip road is too dangerous to slow down safely.....? What a total waste of time and money, doing all that training. Was possibly just to add to your boring conversations when meeting new people...? Possible attempt at getting cheaper insurance.....? You obviously don't use what you learnt if you struggle to negotiate a simple slip road and corner. Still - no one willing to actually explain how it is so difficult to slow down on that slip road. Nor why straight bits of the A12 are supposedly so dangerous. Again, just excuses and turning it round on to someone else. Just had a thought, shall we also out law fog and heavy rain....? What do you lot do in those situations...? Do you possibly adjust your driving to suit the conditions....? If so, why don't you use that initiative when approaching a possibly poorly design road lay out, or sharp corner, short slip road....?[/p][/quote]its because I am an advanced driver and not an absolute nutter pierre-pierre
  • Score: -1

9:11am Thu 3 Jul 14

The Stinker Returns says...

Logicalsense wrote:
pierre-pierre wrote:
to pathetic

when I took my advance Drive and Survive driving course with Police instructors we had to drive from Ipswitch to Colchester at normal road speed on the A12 without touching the brakes (there was a light on the dash that showed when we did)

so please, when you learn to observe the road, dont call me one of the obnoxious terms which are against the rules of this section
Still does not answer my two simple questions.
When I learn to observe the road....? So I'm dreaming that so many are driving too close, constantly going round corners on the wrong side of the road.....?
What is it with you lot turning this around and making out I am the poor driver, as well as getting offended by my language...? Yet
not bothered by the deaths on the road....
This thread is regarding a supposedly dangerous slip road that you want thousands spent on, thinking it will solve the problem of dangerous driving. You're still ignoring the facts.
Pierre - if you have done all this advanced driving - why are you claiming the slip road is too dangerous to slow down safely.....? What a total waste of time and money, doing all that training. Was possibly just to add to your boring conversations when meeting new people...? Possible attempt at getting cheaper insurance.....? You obviously don't use what you learnt if you struggle to negotiate a simple slip road and corner.
Still - no one willing to actually explain how it is so difficult to slow down on that slip road. Nor why straight bits of the A12 are supposedly so dangerous.
Again, just excuses and turning it round on to someone else.
Just had a thought, shall we also out law fog and heavy rain....? What do you lot do in those situations...? Do you possibly adjust your driving to suit the conditions....? If so, why don't you use that initiative when approaching a possibly poorly design road lay out, or sharp corner, short slip road....?
Logicalsense (not). I seriously think you need to get some professional help - soon.
[quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: to pathetic when I took my advance Drive and Survive driving course with Police instructors we had to drive from Ipswitch to Colchester at normal road speed on the A12 without touching the brakes (there was a light on the dash that showed when we did) so please, when you learn to observe the road, dont call me one of the obnoxious terms which are against the rules of this section[/p][/quote]Still does not answer my two simple questions. When I learn to observe the road....? So I'm dreaming that so many are driving too close, constantly going round corners on the wrong side of the road.....? What is it with you lot turning this around and making out I am the poor driver, as well as getting offended by my language...? Yet not bothered by the deaths on the road.... This thread is regarding a supposedly dangerous slip road that you want thousands spent on, thinking it will solve the problem of dangerous driving. You're still ignoring the facts. Pierre - if you have done all this advanced driving - why are you claiming the slip road is too dangerous to slow down safely.....? What a total waste of time and money, doing all that training. Was possibly just to add to your boring conversations when meeting new people...? Possible attempt at getting cheaper insurance.....? You obviously don't use what you learnt if you struggle to negotiate a simple slip road and corner. Still - no one willing to actually explain how it is so difficult to slow down on that slip road. Nor why straight bits of the A12 are supposedly so dangerous. Again, just excuses and turning it round on to someone else. Just had a thought, shall we also out law fog and heavy rain....? What do you lot do in those situations...? Do you possibly adjust your driving to suit the conditions....? If so, why don't you use that initiative when approaching a possibly poorly design road lay out, or sharp corner, short slip road....?[/p][/quote]Logicalsense (not). I seriously think you need to get some professional help - soon. The Stinker Returns
  • Score: 1

9:25am Thu 3 Jul 14

pierre-pierre says...

and a few more to report him (or it)as he is breaking the terms of use about abuse
and a few more to report him (or it)as he is breaking the terms of use about abuse pierre-pierre
  • Score: 0

9:43am Thu 3 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

What is wrong with you lot.....? You're totally missing the point. People are being killed daily on our roads and you're more interested in getting me banned from website for supposedly using my right of freedom of speech.
This is why these deaths will continue to be classed as accidents and nothing done about it.
So, you want me banned because you think an idiot should not be called an idiot and the fact I'm obviously making you look a little daft as you still cannot answer two simple questions..... Amazing.
Looking at a few comments throughout this site - most of you just seem concerned with the grammar of whats written and give abuse to the editors. Very sad.
What is wrong with you lot.....? You're totally missing the point. People are being killed daily on our roads and you're more interested in getting me banned from website for supposedly using my right of freedom of speech. This is why these deaths will continue to be classed as accidents and nothing done about it. So, you want me banned because you think an idiot should not be called an idiot and the fact I'm obviously making you look a little daft as you still cannot answer two simple questions..... Amazing. Looking at a few comments throughout this site - most of you just seem concerned with the grammar of whats written and give abuse to the editors. Very sad. Logicalsense
  • Score: 0

9:45am Thu 3 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

The Stinker Returns wrote:
Logicalsense wrote:
pierre-pierre wrote:
to pathetic

when I took my advance Drive and Survive driving course with Police instructors we had to drive from Ipswitch to Colchester at normal road speed on the A12 without touching the brakes (there was a light on the dash that showed when we did)

so please, when you learn to observe the road, dont call me one of the obnoxious terms which are against the rules of this section
Still does not answer my two simple questions.
When I learn to observe the road....? So I'm dreaming that so many are driving too close, constantly going round corners on the wrong side of the road.....?
What is it with you lot turning this around and making out I am the poor driver, as well as getting offended by my language...? Yet
not bothered by the deaths on the road....
This thread is regarding a supposedly dangerous slip road that you want thousands spent on, thinking it will solve the problem of dangerous driving. You're still ignoring the facts.
Pierre - if you have done all this advanced driving - why are you claiming the slip road is too dangerous to slow down safely.....? What a total waste of time and money, doing all that training. Was possibly just to add to your boring conversations when meeting new people...? Possible attempt at getting cheaper insurance.....? You obviously don't use what you learnt if you struggle to negotiate a simple slip road and corner.
Still - no one willing to actually explain how it is so difficult to slow down on that slip road. Nor why straight bits of the A12 are supposedly so dangerous.
Again, just excuses and turning it round on to someone else.
Just had a thought, shall we also out law fog and heavy rain....? What do you lot do in those situations...? Do you possibly adjust your driving to suit the conditions....? If so, why don't you use that initiative when approaching a possibly poorly design road lay out, or sharp corner, short slip road....?
Logicalsense (not). I seriously think you need to get some professional help - soon.
Seriously.... So there is absolutely nothing wrong with the deaths on our roads then....? Is that because you class it as just an accident - just a mistake.....???
You don't think these morons are conscious of how they're driving...? Surely if they're not aware of how they're driving - they should not be on the road....?
Sorry - keep forgetting - that's less important than you being offended by a few words. Pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: to pathetic when I took my advance Drive and Survive driving course with Police instructors we had to drive from Ipswitch to Colchester at normal road speed on the A12 without touching the brakes (there was a light on the dash that showed when we did) so please, when you learn to observe the road, dont call me one of the obnoxious terms which are against the rules of this section[/p][/quote]Still does not answer my two simple questions. When I learn to observe the road....? So I'm dreaming that so many are driving too close, constantly going round corners on the wrong side of the road.....? What is it with you lot turning this around and making out I am the poor driver, as well as getting offended by my language...? Yet not bothered by the deaths on the road.... This thread is regarding a supposedly dangerous slip road that you want thousands spent on, thinking it will solve the problem of dangerous driving. You're still ignoring the facts. Pierre - if you have done all this advanced driving - why are you claiming the slip road is too dangerous to slow down safely.....? What a total waste of time and money, doing all that training. Was possibly just to add to your boring conversations when meeting new people...? Possible attempt at getting cheaper insurance.....? You obviously don't use what you learnt if you struggle to negotiate a simple slip road and corner. Still - no one willing to actually explain how it is so difficult to slow down on that slip road. Nor why straight bits of the A12 are supposedly so dangerous. Again, just excuses and turning it round on to someone else. Just had a thought, shall we also out law fog and heavy rain....? What do you lot do in those situations...? Do you possibly adjust your driving to suit the conditions....? If so, why don't you use that initiative when approaching a possibly poorly design road lay out, or sharp corner, short slip road....?[/p][/quote]Logicalsense (not). I seriously think you need to get some professional help - soon.[/p][/quote]Seriously.... So there is absolutely nothing wrong with the deaths on our roads then....? Is that because you class it as just an accident - just a mistake.....??? You don't think these morons are conscious of how they're driving...? Surely if they're not aware of how they're driving - they should not be on the road....? Sorry - keep forgetting - that's less important than you being offended by a few words. Pathetic. Logicalsense
  • Score: 0

9:47am Thu 3 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

pierre-pierre wrote:
Logicalsense wrote:
pierre-pierre wrote:
to pathetic

when I took my advance Drive and Survive driving course with Police instructors we had to drive from Ipswitch to Colchester at normal road speed on the A12 without touching the brakes (there was a light on the dash that showed when we did)

so please, when you learn to observe the road, dont call me one of the obnoxious terms which are against the rules of this section
Still does not answer my two simple questions.
When I learn to observe the road....? So I'm dreaming that so many are driving too close, constantly going round corners on the wrong side of the road.....?
What is it with you lot turning this around and making out I am the poor driver, as well as getting offended by my language...? Yet
not bothered by the deaths on the road....
This thread is regarding a supposedly dangerous slip road that you want thousands spent on, thinking it will solve the problem of dangerous driving. You're still ignoring the facts.
Pierre - if you have done all this advanced driving - why are you claiming the slip road is too dangerous to slow down safely.....? What a total waste of time and money, doing all that training. Was possibly just to add to your boring conversations when meeting new people...? Possible attempt at getting cheaper insurance.....? You obviously don't use what you learnt if you struggle to negotiate a simple slip road and corner.
Still - no one willing to actually explain how it is so difficult to slow down on that slip road. Nor why straight bits of the A12 are supposedly so dangerous.
Again, just excuses and turning it round on to someone else.
Just had a thought, shall we also out law fog and heavy rain....? What do you lot do in those situations...? Do you possibly adjust your driving to suit the conditions....? If so, why don't you use that initiative when approaching a possibly poorly design road lay out, or sharp corner, short slip road....?
its because I am an advanced driver and not an absolute nutter
Still doesn't answer the simple question - why is it so difficult to slow down on the Rivenhall slip road....? And how will making it longer solve the problem.....?
Why can't you answer that simple question.....? Instead of making out I'm a nutter for stating facts and getting upset by my language.
[quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Logicalsense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: to pathetic when I took my advance Drive and Survive driving course with Police instructors we had to drive from Ipswitch to Colchester at normal road speed on the A12 without touching the brakes (there was a light on the dash that showed when we did) so please, when you learn to observe the road, dont call me one of the obnoxious terms which are against the rules of this section[/p][/quote]Still does not answer my two simple questions. When I learn to observe the road....? So I'm dreaming that so many are driving too close, constantly going round corners on the wrong side of the road.....? What is it with you lot turning this around and making out I am the poor driver, as well as getting offended by my language...? Yet not bothered by the deaths on the road.... This thread is regarding a supposedly dangerous slip road that you want thousands spent on, thinking it will solve the problem of dangerous driving. You're still ignoring the facts. Pierre - if you have done all this advanced driving - why are you claiming the slip road is too dangerous to slow down safely.....? What a total waste of time and money, doing all that training. Was possibly just to add to your boring conversations when meeting new people...? Possible attempt at getting cheaper insurance.....? You obviously don't use what you learnt if you struggle to negotiate a simple slip road and corner. Still - no one willing to actually explain how it is so difficult to slow down on that slip road. Nor why straight bits of the A12 are supposedly so dangerous. Again, just excuses and turning it round on to someone else. Just had a thought, shall we also out law fog and heavy rain....? What do you lot do in those situations...? Do you possibly adjust your driving to suit the conditions....? If so, why don't you use that initiative when approaching a possibly poorly design road lay out, or sharp corner, short slip road....?[/p][/quote]its because I am an advanced driver and not an absolute nutter[/p][/quote]Still doesn't answer the simple question - why is it so difficult to slow down on the Rivenhall slip road....? And how will making it longer solve the problem.....? Why can't you answer that simple question.....? Instead of making out I'm a nutter for stating facts and getting upset by my language. Logicalsense
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9:56am Thu 3 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

Come on Stinker and Pierre - please explain why it is so difficult to slow down on the Rivenhall slip road.
Very simple question and as both of you think something should be done about the slip road - you must be able to answer the simple question.
The slip road is short, so you have to start slowing down before you even touch the start of it. Very easy.
It can be made a little dangerous if you have an impatient "person" behind you, two inches off your bumper. This same person will still be there when the slip road has been extended - so how has all that waste of time and money solved the problem.....?
Look at the slip roads on motorways that are a mile long in places. People still sit too close. People still swerve off the slip road and hit other vehicles.
This proves time and time again - it is the drivers - not the roads.
As for improving signage - what good will this do....? 80% of drivers can't read the signs indicating a 30mph zone.Look at the amount of drivers that totally ignore a red light.
Come on Stinker and Pierre - please explain why it is so difficult to slow down on the Rivenhall slip road. Very simple question and as both of you think something should be done about the slip road - you must be able to answer the simple question. The slip road is short, so you have to start slowing down before you even touch the start of it. Very easy. It can be made a little dangerous if you have an impatient "person" behind you, two inches off your bumper. This same person will still be there when the slip road has been extended - so how has all that waste of time and money solved the problem.....? Look at the slip roads on motorways that are a mile long in places. People still sit too close. People still swerve off the slip road and hit other vehicles. This proves time and time again - it is the drivers - not the roads. As for improving signage - what good will this do....? 80% of drivers can't read the signs indicating a 30mph zone.Look at the amount of drivers that totally ignore a red light. Logicalsense
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10:08am Thu 3 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

pierre-pierre wrote:
and a few more to report him (or it)as he is breaking the terms of use about abuse
This quote makes me laugh. Just so amazing that a few words can be more hurtful and upsetting than people being killed on the roads every day.
Pierre, Pierre, Pierre - I do not know you. I have possibly judged you wrongly from your pathetic comments, but seriously...? Upset from a few comments....? Hate to think how you'd react to a family member or friend being killed on the road by an idiot driver. Obviously you can't comprehend any of this, hence why it does not bother you and you're happy for it to continue - until you're affected by it. Smells of ignorance and selfishness.
Especially when you're arguing over something you cannot even give a valid answer to......
[quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: and a few more to report him (or it)as he is breaking the terms of use about abuse[/p][/quote]This quote makes me laugh. Just so amazing that a few words can be more hurtful and upsetting than people being killed on the roads every day. Pierre, Pierre, Pierre - I do not know you. I have possibly judged you wrongly from your pathetic comments, but seriously...? Upset from a few comments....? Hate to think how you'd react to a family member or friend being killed on the road by an idiot driver. Obviously you can't comprehend any of this, hence why it does not bother you and you're happy for it to continue - until you're affected by it. Smells of ignorance and selfishness. Especially when you're arguing over something you cannot even give a valid answer to...... Logicalsense
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10:48am Thu 3 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

pierre-pierre wrote:
and a few more to report him (or it)as he is breaking the terms of use about abuse
So, you're allowed to call me an "it", a nutter etc. But I can't call you or others an idiot, muppet, etc....?
What does that say about you....? Is that not a little unfair....?
Do we not have freedom of speech? Is that not for all of us?
Why should you have more of a right than me to be on this site and voice an opinion....? Regardless of opinion.....
I have done nothing other than state facts. Is it not a fact that too many people drive too close to other vehicles....? Is it not a fact that it is not impossible to slow down for the slip road at Rivenhall...?
None of you can actually give a valid reason for not being able to slow down for the slip road.
[quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: and a few more to report him (or it)as he is breaking the terms of use about abuse[/p][/quote]So, you're allowed to call me an "it", a nutter etc. But I can't call you or others an idiot, muppet, etc....? What does that say about you....? Is that not a little unfair....? Do we not have freedom of speech? Is that not for all of us? Why should you have more of a right than me to be on this site and voice an opinion....? Regardless of opinion..... I have done nothing other than state facts. Is it not a fact that too many people drive too close to other vehicles....? Is it not a fact that it is not impossible to slow down for the slip road at Rivenhall...? None of you can actually give a valid reason for not being able to slow down for the slip road. Logicalsense
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12:46pm Thu 3 Jul 14

The Stinker Returns says...

Quite simply, mate, of course people can slow down - we all know where the break is. The slip road being short gives very little time for people who are unfamiliar with it to make their move and judge how slow you actually need to be going when you turn the bend. Most people who know the road indicate a long way off and start to slow down well before. There is definitely a problem when cars are parked on the road close to the A12 because you can turn the corner only to find someone having to overtake in a potentially very dangerous (yes, there's that word again) situation. I actually know the person who lives right next to the A12 and she has had her wall demolished several times. It is because people are taken by surprise at just how slow you need to be going. I hope that helps. Now go and get yourself a nice cup of tea and a biscuit. Deep breaths, no-one's out to get you, no-one wants more deaths on the roads. Alright?
Quite simply, mate, of course people can slow down - we all know where the break is. The slip road being short gives very little time for people who are unfamiliar with it to make their move and judge how slow you actually need to be going when you turn the bend. Most people who know the road indicate a long way off and start to slow down well before. There is definitely a problem when cars are parked on the road close to the A12 because you can turn the corner only to find someone having to overtake in a potentially very dangerous (yes, there's that word again) situation. I actually know the person who lives right next to the A12 and she has had her wall demolished several times. It is because people are taken by surprise at just how slow you need to be going. I hope that helps. Now go and get yourself a nice cup of tea and a biscuit. Deep breaths, no-one's out to get you, no-one wants more deaths on the roads. Alright? The Stinker Returns
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1:22pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

The Stinker Returns wrote:
Quite simply, mate, of course people can slow down - we all know where the break is. The slip road being short gives very little time for people who are unfamiliar with it to make their move and judge how slow you actually need to be going when you turn the bend. Most people who know the road indicate a long way off and start to slow down well before. There is definitely a problem when cars are parked on the road close to the A12 because you can turn the corner only to find someone having to overtake in a potentially very dangerous (yes, there's that word again) situation. I actually know the person who lives right next to the A12 and she has had her wall demolished several times. It is because people are taken by surprise at just how slow you need to be going. I hope that helps. Now go and get yourself a nice cup of tea and a biscuit. Deep breaths, no-one's out to get you, no-one wants more deaths on the roads. Alright?
It's still poor driving. Not being able to judge the approaching road correctly. These people should not be on the road. If you're unfamiliar with the road - you should treat it with caution and slow down, other wise you're pretty much driving blind or just on luck.
I saw the results of the last crash, as I passed it a few minutes after it happened. And to me, it looked like the idiot did not make any attempt at slowing down. Exactly the same with the idiots crashing in straight lines of traffic at 5mph - NOT paying attention.
To be honest - there is more than enough time to see it is a short slip road and slow down. Why, knowing you have to turn off somewhere, would you approach it at speed and not start to slow down....?
So, your answer is to extend the slip road....? Maybe knock down The Fox and create a nice sweeping bend....? Do you not think, with an extended slip road, people will still use it flat out and leave it till the last minute to brake....? I think you'll find extending the slip road, removing The Fox will create faster crashes there, resulting in more grief than a smashed wall, fence and garage door.
[quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: Quite simply, mate, of course people can slow down - we all know where the break is. The slip road being short gives very little time for people who are unfamiliar with it to make their move and judge how slow you actually need to be going when you turn the bend. Most people who know the road indicate a long way off and start to slow down well before. There is definitely a problem when cars are parked on the road close to the A12 because you can turn the corner only to find someone having to overtake in a potentially very dangerous (yes, there's that word again) situation. I actually know the person who lives right next to the A12 and she has had her wall demolished several times. It is because people are taken by surprise at just how slow you need to be going. I hope that helps. Now go and get yourself a nice cup of tea and a biscuit. Deep breaths, no-one's out to get you, no-one wants more deaths on the roads. Alright?[/p][/quote]It's still poor driving. Not being able to judge the approaching road correctly. These people should not be on the road. If you're unfamiliar with the road - you should treat it with caution and slow down, other wise you're pretty much driving blind or just on luck. I saw the results of the last crash, as I passed it a few minutes after it happened. And to me, it looked like the idiot did not make any attempt at slowing down. Exactly the same with the idiots crashing in straight lines of traffic at 5mph - NOT paying attention. To be honest - there is more than enough time to see it is a short slip road and slow down. Why, knowing you have to turn off somewhere, would you approach it at speed and not start to slow down....? So, your answer is to extend the slip road....? Maybe knock down The Fox and create a nice sweeping bend....? Do you not think, with an extended slip road, people will still use it flat out and leave it till the last minute to brake....? I think you'll find extending the slip road, removing The Fox will create faster crashes there, resulting in more grief than a smashed wall, fence and garage door. Logicalsense
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1:26pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

The Stinker Returns wrote:
Quite simply, mate, of course people can slow down - we all know where the break is. The slip road being short gives very little time for people who are unfamiliar with it to make their move and judge how slow you actually need to be going when you turn the bend. Most people who know the road indicate a long way off and start to slow down well before. There is definitely a problem when cars are parked on the road close to the A12 because you can turn the corner only to find someone having to overtake in a potentially very dangerous (yes, there's that word again) situation. I actually know the person who lives right next to the A12 and she has had her wall demolished several times. It is because people are taken by surprise at just how slow you need to be going. I hope that helps. Now go and get yourself a nice cup of tea and a biscuit. Deep breaths, no-one's out to get you, no-one wants more deaths on the roads. Alright?
Is there not something in the highway code about parking so close to junctions....? Is it not also a bit ignorant for someone to think it's OK and safe to park there too.....? Again, it's people not thinking or paying attention. But of course, this is slowly becoming part of the human rights act - no one should have to think for themselves!!! Very funny.
[quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote: Quite simply, mate, of course people can slow down - we all know where the break is. The slip road being short gives very little time for people who are unfamiliar with it to make their move and judge how slow you actually need to be going when you turn the bend. Most people who know the road indicate a long way off and start to slow down well before. There is definitely a problem when cars are parked on the road close to the A12 because you can turn the corner only to find someone having to overtake in a potentially very dangerous (yes, there's that word again) situation. I actually know the person who lives right next to the A12 and she has had her wall demolished several times. It is because people are taken by surprise at just how slow you need to be going. I hope that helps. Now go and get yourself a nice cup of tea and a biscuit. Deep breaths, no-one's out to get you, no-one wants more deaths on the roads. Alright?[/p][/quote]Is there not something in the highway code about parking so close to junctions....? Is it not also a bit ignorant for someone to think it's OK and safe to park there too.....? Again, it's people not thinking or paying attention. But of course, this is slowly becoming part of the human rights act - no one should have to think for themselves!!! Very funny. Logicalsense
  • Score: 1

6:55pm Thu 3 Jul 14

pierre-pierre says...

to those who read sense

Motorway slip roads have big signs at 1 Km and 500M before the start of the long slip road

The Rivenhall has very short slip roads have no warning signs

And very good for it to say slow down when you approach, but if you dont know the road and want to go to the Rivenhall Hotel, where do youslow down? Colchester?

I attended the Funeral of a close fried of mine on New Years Day who got rammed by a foreign truck driver in a reduced to one lane section of the A12 in Brentwood

and this is just before you hit the post button

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to those who read sense Motorway slip roads have big signs at 1 Km and 500M before the start of the long slip road The Rivenhall has very short slip roads have no warning signs And very good for it to say slow down when you approach, but if you dont know the road and want to go to the Rivenhall Hotel, where do youslow down? Colchester? I attended the Funeral of a close fried of mine on New Years Day who got rammed by a foreign truck driver in a reduced to one lane section of the A12 in Brentwood and this is just before you hit the post button Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link. pierre-pierre
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9:26pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

pierre-pierre wrote:
to those who read sense

Motorway slip roads have big signs at 1 Km and 500M before the start of the long slip road

The Rivenhall has very short slip roads have no warning signs

And very good for it to say slow down when you approach, but if you dont know the road and want to go to the Rivenhall Hotel, where do youslow down? Colchester?

I attended the Funeral of a close fried of mine on New Years Day who got rammed by a foreign truck driver in a reduced to one lane section of the A12 in Brentwood

and this is just before you hit the post button

Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link.
Well I think your claims of it being impossible for people to slow down is false. But I'm not so pathetic to complain or report you.
As for the death of your friend - this was obviously the fault of the dangerous lorry driver. Or was it your friend that didn't want to brake...? By the way, that comment surely can't be seen as malicious or abusive...?
I've lost a few friends on the road and all bar one were due to dangerous, idiotic drivers.
Your comment regarding motorway slip roads still doesn't answer why there are still crashes on them.....
At the end of the day, it is down to the driver to judge the road and drive accordingly. If this was not the case - how would anyone pass their driving test? You're pretty much saying, that once you've passed your test - forget everything you should have learnt and drive how you like.
Surely if you don't know where you're going, you should start preparing to slow down? I still don't get your argument at all - other than you're making excuses for poor driving.
So, what are your proposals for the Rivenhall slip road in question (North side)....?
Your site terms....? Do you own this site then...? Why would I complain - I'm not pathetic enough to be upset or offended by a few words on the internet.
You claim that better signage is needed. Have you not seen the amount of people that ignore chevron signs, slow down signs, etc, and still end up in a ditch....? What about all the 30mph signs that get ignored - even outside schools!! Usually by some overweight parent driving their kids to the school!
[quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: to those who read sense Motorway slip roads have big signs at 1 Km and 500M before the start of the long slip road The Rivenhall has very short slip roads have no warning signs And very good for it to say slow down when you approach, but if you dont know the road and want to go to the Rivenhall Hotel, where do youslow down? Colchester? I attended the Funeral of a close fried of mine on New Years Day who got rammed by a foreign truck driver in a reduced to one lane section of the A12 in Brentwood and this is just before you hit the post button Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link.[/p][/quote]Well I think your claims of it being impossible for people to slow down is false. But I'm not so pathetic to complain or report you. As for the death of your friend - this was obviously the fault of the dangerous lorry driver. Or was it your friend that didn't want to brake...? By the way, that comment surely can't be seen as malicious or abusive...? I've lost a few friends on the road and all bar one were due to dangerous, idiotic drivers. Your comment regarding motorway slip roads still doesn't answer why there are still crashes on them..... At the end of the day, it is down to the driver to judge the road and drive accordingly. If this was not the case - how would anyone pass their driving test? You're pretty much saying, that once you've passed your test - forget everything you should have learnt and drive how you like. Surely if you don't know where you're going, you should start preparing to slow down? I still don't get your argument at all - other than you're making excuses for poor driving. So, what are your proposals for the Rivenhall slip road in question (North side)....? Your site terms....? Do you own this site then...? Why would I complain - I'm not pathetic enough to be upset or offended by a few words on the internet. You claim that better signage is needed. Have you not seen the amount of people that ignore chevron signs, slow down signs, etc, and still end up in a ditch....? What about all the 30mph signs that get ignored - even outside schools!! Usually by some overweight parent driving their kids to the school! Logicalsense
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10:27pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

Thumb down for my previous comment....? Another numpty that thinks it's not the responsibility for the driver to think for themselves.....
Amazing. No wonder there's so many crashes and deaths on the road.
Oh well, nothing will change whilst you're all making excuses for poor driving. Let's just waste more and more money on pointless signs and altering roads. Weren't you lot moaning a little while ago about the stupid amount of money spent on the Braintree roundabout.....? Weren't there two serious crashes in the first day of it being completely opened...?
Very funny.
Thumb down for my previous comment....? Another numpty that thinks it's not the responsibility for the driver to think for themselves..... Amazing. No wonder there's so many crashes and deaths on the road. Oh well, nothing will change whilst you're all making excuses for poor driving. Let's just waste more and more money on pointless signs and altering roads. Weren't you lot moaning a little while ago about the stupid amount of money spent on the Braintree roundabout.....? Weren't there two serious crashes in the first day of it being completely opened...? Very funny. Logicalsense
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10:00am Fri 4 Jul 14

pierre-pierre says...

nothing to do with the drivers on that roundabout, just a worse stupid layout
nothing to do with the drivers on that roundabout, just a worse stupid layout pierre-pierre
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10:05am Fri 4 Jul 14

pierre-pierre says...

try this Highways Camera of the roundabout, currently showing the trafic from Marks Farm

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try this Highways Camera of the roundabout, currently showing the trafic from Marks Farm http://emerge.essexh ighways.org/trafficm aps/Detail.aspx?host =emerge.essexhighway s.org&text_id=1&map_ id=2000&command=GetC ctvDetail&scn=02K01 pierre-pierre
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12:45pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

pierre-pierre wrote:
nothing to do with the drivers on that roundabout, just a worse stupid layout
Hmmm....... like most roundabouts - idiots using the wrong lane and not indicating.......? Very complicated those roundabouts - give way to the right, keep left to go left and right to right. Almost as complexing as those pesky traffic lights - how are you supposed to know what to do when they can't make their mind up and keep changing colour?! And as for all these corners everywhere!
Like with installing bridges over level crossings, looks like everyone will need their hand holding whilst driving! Obviously common sense is being bred out of society......
[quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: nothing to do with the drivers on that roundabout, just a worse stupid layout[/p][/quote]Hmmm....... like most roundabouts - idiots using the wrong lane and not indicating.......? Very complicated those roundabouts - give way to the right, keep left to go left and right to right. Almost as complexing as those pesky traffic lights - how are you supposed to know what to do when they can't make their mind up and keep changing colour?! And as for all these corners everywhere! Like with installing bridges over level crossings, looks like everyone will need their hand holding whilst driving! Obviously common sense is being bred out of society...... Logicalsense
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1:33pm Fri 4 Jul 14

pierre-pierre says...

no as I said stupid layout, traffic going west on A120 goes round past two junction then turns left in two marked lanes

traffic from Freeport and Cholesterol corner come out of Millennium way and then onto roundabout, if they want to go East on the A120 from the B1018 then comes the trouble, see map

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no as I said stupid layout, traffic going west on A120 goes round past two junction then turns left in two marked lanes traffic from Freeport and Cholesterol corner come out of Millennium way and then onto roundabout, if they want to go East on the A120 from the B1018 then comes the trouble, see map http://i654.photobuc ket.com/albums/uu270 /pierre-pierre_2009/ galleycornemapr_zpsb fb7a4f3.jpg and photos http://i654.photobuc ket.com/albums/uu270 /pierre-pierre_2009/ galleycorner_zps6a45 7e4d.jpg http://i654.photobuc ket.com/albums/uu270 /pierre-pierre_2009/ galleycorner2_zpsfbf 20f33.jpg http://i654.photobuc ket.com/albums/uu270 /pierre-pierre_2009/ Clipboard03_zps80c34 219.jpg pierre-pierre
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10:23am Sat 5 Jul 14

Logicalsense says...

pierre-pierre wrote:
no as I said stupid layout, traffic going west on A120 goes round past two junction then turns left in two marked lanes

traffic from Freeport and Cholesterol corner come out of Millennium way and then onto roundabout, if they want to go East on the A120 from the B1018 then comes the trouble, see map

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I know the roundabout very well. Admittedly it could have been laid out better, but at the end of the day - it's still a huge amount of drivers that haven't a clue what they're doing.
I drive all over the country and regardless of road design, and especially with roundabouts - more than half of the people using them just haven't a clue. So we can chuck loads and loads of money at the roads, but will still have the idiot drivers causing grief. Just as with the Rivenhall slip road.
Example from yesterday, to show how impatient people are and that they haven't a clue. As usual, North bound A12 was gridlocked due to tail gating and people sitting in lane two till the last minute to pull over for a slip road. There'd be none of this gridlock if people kept their distance and used the correct lane at the right time - very simple.
Using one of the slip roads to get onto the A12, I noticed car after car crossing the chevron markings to pull onto the A12. This is illegal and you can get nicked for it. So, most of those people are being impatient, as well most of them possibly not knowing it is illegal - which would be a fail on their test. Also, every traffic light system I passed, at least three people jumped a red light at each system. I even saw four cars jump one of the red lights! I don't think these people are aware of the possible consequences of their dangerous driving. These were people that had more than enough time to stop for the red light. I can't see what other signage or layout can stop people being impatient and jumping reds lights, or completely failing to negotiate a slip road and corner without crashing into someone's fence and garage, etc......
Answer....? Maybe fit all vehicles with some sort of governing system that stops them from getting within a certain distance of another vehicle at any speed over 5mph....? My car has the optional extra of automatically applying the brakes it if gets too close to another vehicle in front and will stop the car to avoid hitting one. Obviously I don't have it as I'm not so stupid to sit so close to anyone else. There is no excuse or reason to sit so close to anyone.
This would definitely stop the tailgating and solve a lot of the problems. Would result in very little congestions. Stop all tail end shunts. Would possibly help the morons that use the same road every day, but still feel they have to leave it till the very last minute to cut across everyone to pull off at the same slip road!
I'm sure someone will have an argument against this idea. Feel free.
[quote][p][bold]pierre-pierre[/bold] wrote: no as I said stupid layout, traffic going west on A120 goes round past two junction then turns left in two marked lanes traffic from Freeport and Cholesterol corner come out of Millennium way and then onto roundabout, if they want to go East on the A120 from the B1018 then comes the trouble, see map http://i654.photobuc ket.com/albums/uu270 /pierre-pierre_2009/ galleycornemapr_zpsb fb7a4f3.jpg and photos http://i654.photobuc ket.com/albums/uu270 /pierre-pierre_2009/ galleycorner_zps6a45 7e4d.jpg http://i654.photobuc ket.com/albums/uu270 /pierre-pierre_2009/ galleycorner2_zpsfbf 20f33.jpg http://i654.photobuc ket.com/albums/uu270 /pierre-pierre_2009/ Clipboard03_zps80c34 219.jpg[/p][/quote]I know the roundabout very well. Admittedly it could have been laid out better, but at the end of the day - it's still a huge amount of drivers that haven't a clue what they're doing. I drive all over the country and regardless of road design, and especially with roundabouts - more than half of the people using them just haven't a clue. So we can chuck loads and loads of money at the roads, but will still have the idiot drivers causing grief. Just as with the Rivenhall slip road. Example from yesterday, to show how impatient people are and that they haven't a clue. As usual, North bound A12 was gridlocked due to tail gating and people sitting in lane two till the last minute to pull over for a slip road. There'd be none of this gridlock if people kept their distance and used the correct lane at the right time - very simple. Using one of the slip roads to get onto the A12, I noticed car after car crossing the chevron markings to pull onto the A12. This is illegal and you can get nicked for it. So, most of those people are being impatient, as well most of them possibly not knowing it is illegal - which would be a fail on their test. Also, every traffic light system I passed, at least three people jumped a red light at each system. I even saw four cars jump one of the red lights! I don't think these people are aware of the possible consequences of their dangerous driving. These were people that had more than enough time to stop for the red light. I can't see what other signage or layout can stop people being impatient and jumping reds lights, or completely failing to negotiate a slip road and corner without crashing into someone's fence and garage, etc...... Answer....? Maybe fit all vehicles with some sort of governing system that stops them from getting within a certain distance of another vehicle at any speed over 5mph....? My car has the optional extra of automatically applying the brakes it if gets too close to another vehicle in front and will stop the car to avoid hitting one. Obviously I don't have it as I'm not so stupid to sit so close to anyone else. There is no excuse or reason to sit so close to anyone. This would definitely stop the tailgating and solve a lot of the problems. Would result in very little congestions. Stop all tail end shunts. Would possibly help the morons that use the same road every day, but still feel they have to leave it till the very last minute to cut across everyone to pull off at the same slip road! I'm sure someone will have an argument against this idea. Feel free. Logicalsense
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10:38am Sat 5 Jul 14

pierre-pierre says...

could have that set up on my car, but didn't, but have got recording cameras front and rear, last example was car speeding through flood water when I was half way through, unfortunately its bow wave covered the number plate and me

how about the height of the plants on the three roundabouts that stop you seeing what is approaching you (Galleys corner area)
could have that set up on my car, but didn't, but have got recording cameras front and rear, last example was car speeding through flood water when I was half way through, unfortunately its bow wave covered the number plate and me how about the height of the plants on the three roundabouts that stop you seeing what is approaching you (Galleys corner area) pierre-pierre
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7:49am Sun 6 Jul 14

pierre-pierre says...

video of water splash here about 12 seconds long

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video of water splash here about 12 seconds long http://s654.photobuc ket.com/user/pierre- pierre_2009/media/F2 014-02-08-16-58-08-0 _zps27567c79.mp4.htm l pierre-pierre
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8:12am Sun 6 Jul 14

pierre-pierre says...

now got a still from video
top line show GPS Lat Long and road speed, map at right the video location, at bottom of picture time and date info

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now got a still from video top line show GPS Lat Long and road speed, map at right the video location, at bottom of picture time and date info http://i654.photobuc ket.com/albums/uu270 /pierre-pierre_2009/ Clipboard01_zps8babd 19a.jpg pierre-pierre
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