Villagers say no to street light switch on proposal

Villagers say no to street light switch on proposal

Villagers say no to street light switch on proposal

First published in News

Villagers have voted against proposals to pay £10 extra per year to have their street lights switched back on.

Cressing Parish Council conducted a straw poll of residents to see if there was support for the idea of keeping all lights on overnight.

But 61 of the 85 respondents said they would not be willing to pay the extra money.

Street lights operated by Essex County Council (ECC) have been turned off from midnight to 5am each night in Braintree district since September 1 last year.

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9:17am Fri 11 Apr 14

Jack222 says...

What a sensible village. Well done.
What a sensible village. Well done. Jack222
  • Score: 2

10:47am Fri 11 Apr 14

antonl says...

I note some ill-informed comments on this thread:
Firstly, parish councils do not have millions available and have had a real cut in funding this year, so there is no money available for extras without villagers contributing more.
Secondly, the parish in question has a high average age in the population so carers, doctors and ambulance crews have to find houses in the dark. Council's concern was that this would be more difficult to do if lights were out.
Thirdly, the council has made a point of taking democracy to its villagers so they can help with difficult decisions like this.
I note some ill-informed comments on this thread: Firstly, parish councils do not have millions available and have had a real cut in funding this year, so there is no money available for extras without villagers contributing more. Secondly, the parish in question has a high average age in the population so carers, doctors and ambulance crews have to find houses in the dark. Council's concern was that this would be more difficult to do if lights were out. Thirdly, the council has made a point of taking democracy to its villagers so they can help with difficult decisions like this. antonl
  • Score: -1

11:13am Fri 11 Apr 14

cpjcutts says...

antonl wrote:
I note some ill-informed comments on this thread:
Firstly, parish councils do not have millions available and have had a real cut in funding this year, so there is no money available for extras without villagers contributing more.
Secondly, the parish in question has a high average age in the population so carers, doctors and ambulance crews have to find houses in the dark. Council's concern was that this would be more difficult to do if lights were out.
Thirdly, the council has made a point of taking democracy to its villagers so they can help with difficult decisions like this.
I note that your comment's do not stand for a lot.
When 1) nobody has mentioned its a parish council issue. It states in the article that it is down to Essex County council.
2) The real issue is that why should people dig deeper to provide a service that was already in place and was cut
3) When the cuts were made and lights turned off, was there a cut of £10 or even £5 to people of the village (and others for that matter?)

You did get one thing right, it is a concern that the lights out would effect the emergency services and crime would increase. As that is exactly what is now happening. But it was hardly a democracy asking people to pay more for a service they are already paying for. How about investing the savings in to LED street lighting like they have on motorways and other street lights now. Reducing the costs further, thus allowing the lights to be on for longer at less cost.
[quote][p][bold]antonl[/bold] wrote: I note some ill-informed comments on this thread: Firstly, parish councils do not have millions available and have had a real cut in funding this year, so there is no money available for extras without villagers contributing more. Secondly, the parish in question has a high average age in the population so carers, doctors and ambulance crews have to find houses in the dark. Council's concern was that this would be more difficult to do if lights were out. Thirdly, the council has made a point of taking democracy to its villagers so they can help with difficult decisions like this.[/p][/quote]I note that your comment's do not stand for a lot. When 1) nobody has mentioned its a parish council issue. It states in the article that it is down to Essex County council. 2) The real issue is that why should people dig deeper to provide a service that was already in place and was cut 3) When the cuts were made and lights turned off, was there a cut of £10 or even £5 to people of the village (and others for that matter?) You did get one thing right, it is a concern that the lights out would effect the emergency services and crime would increase. As that is exactly what is now happening. But it was hardly a democracy asking people to pay more for a service they are already paying for. How about investing the savings in to LED street lighting like they have on motorways and other street lights now. Reducing the costs further, thus allowing the lights to be on for longer at less cost. cpjcutts
  • Score: 1

1:07pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Bhudeeka says...

which makes antonl totally right - they are paying for a service that they are NOT getting because the lights are out and no refund given to anyone DUH
which makes antonl totally right - they are paying for a service that they are NOT getting because the lights are out and no refund given to anyone DUH Bhudeeka
  • Score: -5

1:23pm Fri 11 Apr 14

cpjcutts says...

Bhudeeka wrote:
which makes antonl totally right - they are paying for a service that they are NOT getting because the lights are out and no refund given to anyone DUH
Bhudeeka unfortunately don't see how Antoni is right?

Not once has Antoni implied that they are paying for something they are not getting! If anything they have implied that the village should pay more for the service if they want it, because the parish doe's not have millions available due to cuts. It was myself that stated they are paying for a service they are not getting.

As for democracy, is this the same democracy they gave everyone when turning them off in the first place?
[quote][p][bold]Bhudeeka[/bold] wrote: which makes antonl totally right - they are paying for a service that they are NOT getting because the lights are out and no refund given to anyone DUH[/p][/quote]Bhudeeka unfortunately don't see how Antoni is right? Not once has Antoni implied that they are paying for something they are not getting! If anything they have implied that the village should pay more for the service if they want it, because the parish doe's not have millions available due to cuts. It was myself that stated they are paying for a service they are not getting. As for democracy, is this the same democracy they gave everyone when turning them off in the first place? cpjcutts
  • Score: 1

3:16pm Fri 11 Apr 14

keith_l says...

Does ANYBODY have any evidence that crime is increasing in the hours that the lights are out? I haven't seen any yet. When there was a rush of comments to that effect shortly after the switchoff was started, the majority were later shown to be in daytime (the peak time anyway for house burglaries when they are unoccupied) or on roads that weren't switched off.
Does ANYBODY have any evidence that crime is increasing in the hours that the lights are out? I haven't seen any yet. When there was a rush of comments to that effect shortly after the switchoff was started, the majority were later shown to be in daytime (the peak time anyway for house burglaries when they are unoccupied) or on roads that weren't switched off. keith_l
  • Score: 1

4:32pm Fri 11 Apr 14

cpjcutts says...

keith_l wrote:
Does ANYBODY have any evidence that crime is increasing in the hours that the lights are out? I haven't seen any yet. When there was a rush of comments to that effect shortly after the switchoff was started, the majority were later shown to be in daytime (the peak time anyway for house burglaries when they are unoccupied) or on roads that weren't switched off.
Yes & no is the honest answer Keith

South Witham alone has seen a increase in certain case's, North seems to have the same trend. These being Theft and criminal damage/ arson., vehicle crime have increased. But is does not give specific times of when its happening, so it's not clear. The only drop off is surprisingly in December. In rural areas crime has gone up considerably more.

Also worth noting is that the AA are seeing an increase in road traffic accidents since the various switch offs.
[quote][p][bold]keith_l[/bold] wrote: Does ANYBODY have any evidence that crime is increasing in the hours that the lights are out? I haven't seen any yet. When there was a rush of comments to that effect shortly after the switchoff was started, the majority were later shown to be in daytime (the peak time anyway for house burglaries when they are unoccupied) or on roads that weren't switched off.[/p][/quote]Yes & no is the honest answer Keith South Witham alone has seen a increase in certain case's, North seems to have the same trend. These being Theft and criminal damage/ arson., vehicle crime have increased. But is does not give specific times of when its happening, so it's not clear. The only drop off is surprisingly in December. In rural areas crime has gone up considerably more. Also worth noting is that the AA are seeing an increase in road traffic accidents since the various switch offs. cpjcutts
  • Score: 3

4:24pm Mon 14 Apr 14

/@|_|@\ says...

I would like to ask about reports of A and E admissions for people that tripped and hurt themselves whilst walking along notoriously bad pavement along the darkened roads. Personally I have tripped several times but not fallen.

It seems to me that road lighting is a basic service that one should expect from one's local government. There are myriad other way, I am sure, that monies could be saved. If that's really necessary ... Given the exorbitant taxes paid I fail too to understand the need for cutbacks.
I would like to ask about reports of A and E admissions for people that tripped and hurt themselves whilst walking along notoriously bad pavement along the darkened roads. Personally I have tripped several times but not fallen. It seems to me that road lighting is a basic service that one should expect from one's local government. There are myriad other way, I am sure, that monies could be saved. If that's really necessary ... Given the exorbitant taxes paid I fail too to understand the need for cutbacks. /@|_|@\
  • Score: 1

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