Fears recycling centres could close as county council eyes savings

Braintree and Witham Times: Fears recycling centres could close as county council eyes savings Fears recycling centres could close as county council eyes savings

Recycling centres may close as part of a review by Essex County Council.

The council currently spends £6.4million a year running 21 centres including those on the Springwood Drive, Braintree, and Perry Road, Witham.

However, it says need for the centres has dropped as kerbside recycling has increased over recent years, while some older sites may be outdated.

A survey of asking residents how they use recycling services was launched last week and runs until Sunday April 20.

It is not known which recycling centres are at risk of closure, but county and district councillor James Abbott (Green, Bradwell, Silver End and Rivenhall) fears any cuts could mark a decline in recycling rates.

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3:32pm Thu 6 Feb 14

keith_l says...

If the need for the centres has dropped, why is there always a queue at Witham recycling centre, especially at weekends?
If the need for the centres has dropped, why is there always a queue at Witham recycling centre, especially at weekends? keith_l

8:27pm Thu 6 Feb 14

/@|_|@\ says...

More stuff and nonsense. First the "cost" shouldn't exist: it should be a profit that might be declining ... Secondly, James Abbott's an ostrich with his head stuck in the sand. Managed correctly, recycling can be a right little money spinner. I know - where I live the recycling companies pick up waste every week from the kerbside, all mixed up in one bin, sorted by lasers and other sophisticated robotically controlled equipment; run propane powered lorries; and make an absolute fortune from the recycled rubbish. But then, they aren't run by back-woods BDC councillors whose nonsensical and self-serving ideas simply impose roadblocks on progress and diminish any sense of entrepreneurial spirit or initiative. Heavens forbid that anyone make a couple of bob without oversight by the god-damned nanny state!
More stuff and nonsense. First the "cost" shouldn't exist: it should be a profit that might be declining ... Secondly, James Abbott's an ostrich with his head stuck in the sand. Managed correctly, recycling can be a right little money spinner. I know - where I live the recycling companies pick up waste every week from the kerbside, all mixed up in one bin, sorted by lasers and other sophisticated robotically controlled equipment; run propane powered lorries; and make an absolute fortune from the recycled rubbish. But then, they aren't run by back-woods BDC councillors whose nonsensical and self-serving ideas simply impose roadblocks on progress and diminish any sense of entrepreneurial spirit or initiative. Heavens forbid that anyone make a couple of bob without oversight by the god-damned nanny state! /@|_|@\

9:20pm Thu 6 Feb 14

James Abbott says...

/@|_|@\

Talking of nonsense you seem to have crammed a lot of it into one paragraph !

We know full well the value of selling collected recycling to the market. BDC is bringing in £ hundreds of thousands a year from doing just that which helps avoid council tax rises and service reductions. The material is taken to a plant near Ipswich - which a number of us as BDC councillors visited last year - where it is sorted as you describe.

And BDC is keen to do more of it, having recently agreed to move towards an integrated domestic and commercial recycling collection system. Braintree has one of the best recycling rates in Essex and many of us want it to go even higher - to at least 70% by 2020.

Your point about "impose roadblocks on progress and diminish any sense of entrepreneurial spirit or initiative" is also misplaced.

Myself and colleagues have long supported individuals and local companies setting up in recycling. One technology we are keen to see developed is Anaerobic Digestion (AD) - there is for example a plant proposed near Halstead.

AD plants locally in each of the main towns in the district could take food waste from households and businesses to turn into compost and biogas.

My point in the article was that by reducing opportunities to recycle at the amenity centres, recycling could be adversely affected. You presumably know that most of the material taken to CA sites is recycled ?

Combined with ECC's decision to start burning the output from its Basildon MBT plant it is a matter of concern that they don't see further progress in recycling as a priority - along with the financial benefits and jobs that can bring.

How is it being "an ostrich" to draw attention to a threat to the very thing you say you support ?
/@|_|@\ Talking of nonsense you seem to have crammed a lot of it into one paragraph ! We know full well the value of selling collected recycling to the market. BDC is bringing in £ hundreds of thousands a year from doing just that which helps avoid council tax rises and service reductions. The material is taken to a plant near Ipswich - which a number of us as BDC councillors visited last year - where it is sorted as you describe. And BDC is keen to do more of it, having recently agreed to move towards an integrated domestic and commercial recycling collection system. Braintree has one of the best recycling rates in Essex and many of us want it to go even higher - to at least 70% by 2020. Your point about "impose roadblocks on progress and diminish any sense of entrepreneurial spirit or initiative" is also misplaced. Myself and colleagues have long supported individuals and local companies setting up in recycling. One technology we are keen to see developed is Anaerobic Digestion (AD) - there is for example a plant proposed near Halstead. AD plants locally in each of the main towns in the district could take food waste from households and businesses to turn into compost and biogas. My point in the article was that by reducing opportunities to recycle at the amenity centres, recycling could be adversely affected. You presumably know that most of the material taken to CA sites is recycled ? Combined with ECC's decision to start burning the output from its Basildon MBT plant it is a matter of concern that they don't see further progress in recycling as a priority - along with the financial benefits and jobs that can bring. How is it being "an ostrich" to draw attention to a threat to the very thing you say you support ? James Abbott

9:52pm Thu 6 Feb 14

/@|_|@\ says...

"... district councillor James Abbott (Green, Bradwell, Silver End and Rivenhall) fears any cuts could mark a decline in recycling rates."

Correct me if I am wrong, but these recycling centres are those to which the local resident is expected to haul his rubbish. My question is why is he expected to do that instead of the waste company picking it up from outside his house on a regular basis? Why is BDC the one running what in other and better circumstances would be run as a viable business by a commercial concern? The council amply demonstrate (like and other government organisation) their inability to run anything other than a bureaucracy (which has its place, granted).

Why does Abbott talk of "... BDC is bringing in £ hundreds of thousands a year from doing just that which helps avoid council tax rises and service reductions."? Really? In MY local jurisdiction, the consolidation of waste from multiple bins to one big one and increasing the number of collections proved SO profitable that the charge to my local council was reduced. That means, Mr. Councilman, that we received BETTER services and were charged LESS per month. You may quote your stats from inside the moribund beige and musty corridors of local council buildings but I can tell you the real world will narrate a different story to the one you spin. And, sadly, it seems to me that few people have the gumption to stand up to the stuffed shirts with a grand titles that inhabit the dank corridors of blinkered thought and imagination -- regardless of the fact that they might be there to represent the views and best interest of the very person criticising them.

Stuff and self-serving, misleading nonsense.
"... district councillor James Abbott (Green, Bradwell, Silver End and Rivenhall) fears any cuts could mark a decline in recycling rates." Correct me if I am wrong, but these recycling centres are those to which the local resident is expected to haul his rubbish. My question is why is he expected to do that instead of the waste company picking it up from outside his house on a regular basis? Why is BDC the one running what in other and better circumstances would be run as a viable business by a commercial concern? The council amply demonstrate (like and other government organisation) their inability to run anything other than a bureaucracy (which has its place, granted). Why does Abbott talk of "... BDC is bringing in £ hundreds of thousands a year from doing just that which helps avoid council tax rises and service reductions."? Really? In MY local jurisdiction, the consolidation of waste from multiple bins to one big one and increasing the number of collections proved SO profitable that the charge to my local council was reduced. That means, Mr. Councilman, that we received BETTER services and were charged LESS per month. You may quote your stats from inside the moribund beige and musty corridors of local council buildings but I can tell you the real world will narrate a different story to the one you spin. And, sadly, it seems to me that few people have the gumption to stand up to the stuffed shirts with a grand titles that inhabit the dank corridors of blinkered thought and imagination -- regardless of the fact that they might be there to represent the views and best interest of the very person criticising them. Stuff and self-serving, misleading nonsense. /@|_|@\

11:54pm Thu 6 Feb 14

James Abbott says...

/@|_|@\

Can I respectfully suggest you find out about Braintree District and who runs what before you launch another verbal attack as you clearly do not have a clue what you are talking about.

You ask to be corrected if you are wrong - you are.

We have weekly kerbside collections of waste. One week black bin and food, the next week recycling, food and green waste.

The CA sites are there for more bulky items like wood, large cuttings from hedges and trees, things that cannot be collected kerbside.

The CA sites are not run by BDC; they are run by a private company on behalf of Essex CC.

You assume that our council tax has not gone down ? Wrong again. Its going down this year coming.

"moribund beige and musty corridors of local council buildings" - wrong again - they have just had a refurb and we have installed a big solar array on the roof which is bringing more money in. I would like more council buildings with solar arrays on so that we can cut energy bills and so further reduce costs to taxpayers.

As to your allegations of "stuffed shirts" and "grand titles", well thats your assumption and opinion. There are very few people with grand titles at BDC - try county hall for that.

I don't agree with everything that BDC does by any means but you are so off beam its untrue and most of the time seem to be arguing about things that the council is already doing !
/@|_|@\ Can I respectfully suggest you find out about Braintree District and who runs what before you launch another verbal attack as you clearly do not have a clue what you are talking about. You ask to be corrected if you are wrong - you are. We have weekly kerbside collections of waste. One week black bin and food, the next week recycling, food and green waste. The CA sites are there for more bulky items like wood, large cuttings from hedges and trees, things that cannot be collected kerbside. The CA sites are not run by BDC; they are run by a private company on behalf of Essex CC. You assume that our council tax has not gone down ? Wrong again. Its going down this year coming. "moribund beige and musty corridors of local council buildings" - wrong again - they have just had a refurb and we have installed a big solar array on the roof which is bringing more money in. I would like more council buildings with solar arrays on so that we can cut energy bills and so further reduce costs to taxpayers. As to your allegations of "stuffed shirts" and "grand titles", well thats your assumption and opinion. There are very few people with grand titles at BDC - try county hall for that. I don't agree with everything that BDC does by any means but you are so off beam its untrue and most of the time seem to be arguing about things that the council is already doing ! James Abbott

3:11pm Fri 7 Feb 14

/@|_|@\ says...

Great - specifics! However, weekly collections means exactly that: weekly. What you talk about is bi-weekly. I speak of weekly collections of: rubbish; recyclables;garden waste; AND large items, such as televisions, refrigerators and furniture. You collect "food" waste every other week? That's an absurdity all by itself! What I am supposed to do with the "food" waste during that period? Seriously - that's risible, right there! I'll tell you what I'll do with that waste -- throw it out in the back garden and let nature take care of it (birds, hedgehogs, various and sundry other rodents, maybe?). Which do you think is the more preferable: back garden or putrefying in my pantry or garage or in a bin in the sun during the summer months?

The mere fat you have installed a solar array really says nothing about the interior of the building, now does it? Nor, by the way, do you tell us the cost involved with installing said array nor the maintenance costs for when panels fail.

So I notice you threw the County Council under the bus, didn't you? No hesitation there to pass the ol' buck. Still, I'll apologise for all that I got wrong. And I'll pass the blame to county hall, then shall I?
Great - specifics! However, weekly collections means exactly that: weekly. What you talk about is bi-weekly. I speak of weekly collections of: rubbish; recyclables;garden waste; AND large items, such as televisions, refrigerators and furniture. You collect "food" waste every other week? That's an absurdity all by itself! What I am supposed to do with the "food" waste during that period? Seriously - that's risible, right there! I'll tell you what I'll do with that waste -- throw it out in the back garden and let nature take care of it (birds, hedgehogs, various and sundry other rodents, maybe?). Which do you think is the more preferable: back garden or putrefying in my pantry or garage or in a bin in the sun during the summer months? The mere fat you have installed a solar array really says nothing about the interior of the building, now does it? Nor, by the way, do you tell us the cost involved with installing said array nor the maintenance costs for when panels fail. So I notice you threw the County Council under the bus, didn't you? No hesitation there to pass the ol' buck. Still, I'll apologise for all that I got wrong. And I'll pass the blame to county hall, then shall I? /@|_|@\

4:07pm Fri 7 Feb 14

OMPITA [Intl] says...

Now then /@|_|@\ you can stop right there my lad!

I saw that crafty mention of feeding hedgehogs (and no doubt their Scottish Cousins to boot!)

You'll have to go a lot further than that to worm your way back into Bhudeeka's affections. In fact, you may as well give up as you don't stand a chance!
Now then /@|_|@\ you can stop right there my lad! I saw that crafty mention of feeding hedgehogs (and no doubt their Scottish Cousins to boot!) You'll have to go a lot further than that to worm your way back into Bhudeeka's affections. In fact, you may as well give up as you don't stand a chance! OMPITA [Intl]

5:29pm Fri 7 Feb 14

/@|_|@\ says...

Gadzooks, I'm busted. That was me trying ever so hard to be subtle and I failed miserably. Again. My fragile self confidence is now further undermined by the stark realisation that Bhudeeka is forever out of my reach, disappearing in a spray of mucky water over the Norfolk Fens, skirts a billowing and led by none other than Lawrence of East Anglia, Tabor Alum. and all round dashing cad, Ompita.

Pah.

Mine's a light and bitter, please. Sniff.
Gadzooks, I'm busted. That was me trying ever so hard to be subtle and I failed miserably. Again. My fragile self confidence is now further undermined by the stark realisation that Bhudeeka is forever out of my reach, disappearing in a spray of mucky water over the Norfolk Fens, skirts a billowing and led by none other than Lawrence of East Anglia, Tabor Alum. and all round dashing cad, Ompita. Pah. Mine's a light and bitter, please. Sniff. /@|_|@\

7:35pm Fri 7 Feb 14

James Abbott says...

/@|_|@\

Once again you seem hell bent on complaining without actually reading the information in front of you.

BDC DOES collect food waste each week - as per my earlier posting.
/@|_|@\ Once again you seem hell bent on complaining without actually reading the information in front of you. BDC DOES collect food waste each week - as per my earlier posting. James Abbott

7:49pm Fri 7 Feb 14

/@|_|@\ says...

My apologies. I did indeed misread that. Sorry. I don't understand though, the issue with not collecting everything every week? Or garden waste?

It seems a false economy that saves little if anything and only places additional burden upon the local citizenry and confusion on the elderly: and to what gain?

Thanks for the conversation.
My apologies. I did indeed misread that. Sorry. I don't understand though, the issue with not collecting everything every week? Or garden waste? It seems a false economy that saves little if anything and only places additional burden upon the local citizenry and confusion on the elderly: and to what gain? Thanks for the conversation. /@|_|@\

10:36pm Fri 7 Feb 14

OMPITA [Intl] says...

I think you did well to withdraw as graciously as you did on this one /@|_|@\.

It was an interesting spat whilst it lasted, but it was clear from the outset that it was going to be a very one sided contest. In the red corner we had the Professional Intelligent Lively Leader Of Council Knowhow, and in the blue corner we had plain old PILLOCK.

Never mind, it’s all part of life’s rich pageant. You’ll look back on it one day and laugh about it. In the meantime I think perhaps you’d better stay close to Bhudee and me until you recover from your feelings of ‘fragile self-confidence’.

By the way, we’ve had the two Carrera Subways welded together to make tandem, so what I’ll do next is get one of those dinky little trailers hooked up for you to sit in and then you can come with us on our first Recce. (We’re off to Steeple Bumpstead to case up the sub post office this weekend – but don’t tell anyone).

Bhudee will go up to Fosters Corner tomorrow to see if she can find you a smart little BCHS blazer and some grey flannels. Can’t wait to see her spit on her hanky and give your cherubic face a little shine before we set off.

If you’re a good lad we’ll stop to let you feed the ducks at Finchingfield although I did hear that they might all have been washed downstream to Mersea Island or somewhere by now.

Gotta go, Charlie’s getting restless. G’ night!
I think you did well to withdraw as graciously as you did on this one /@|_|@\. It was an interesting spat whilst it lasted, but it was clear from the outset that it was going to be a very one sided contest. In the red corner we had the Professional Intelligent Lively Leader Of Council Knowhow, and in the blue corner we had plain old PILLOCK. Never mind, it’s all part of life’s rich pageant. You’ll look back on it one day and laugh about it. In the meantime I think perhaps you’d better stay close to Bhudee and me until you recover from your feelings of ‘fragile self-confidence’. By the way, we’ve had the two Carrera Subways welded together to make tandem, so what I’ll do next is get one of those dinky little trailers hooked up for you to sit in and then you can come with us on our first Recce. (We’re off to Steeple Bumpstead to case up the sub post office this weekend – but don’t tell anyone). Bhudee will go up to Fosters Corner tomorrow to see if she can find you a smart little BCHS blazer and some grey flannels. Can’t wait to see her spit on her hanky and give your cherubic face a little shine before we set off. If you’re a good lad we’ll stop to let you feed the ducks at Finchingfield although I did hear that they might all have been washed downstream to Mersea Island or somewhere by now. Gotta go, Charlie’s getting restless. G’ night! OMPITA [Intl]

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