Police commissioner asks taxpayers for more cash

Braintree and Witham Times: Police commissioner asks taxpayers for more cash Police commissioner asks taxpayers for more cash

TAXPAYERS are being asked to pay more for policing from April.

Police and Crime Commissioner Nick Alston is hoping to increase the council tax precept for policing in Essex by 3.5 per cent.

This would cost the average band D Essex taxpayer £5 extra a year.

The extra money would be the equivalent of what is needed for 57 extra police officers.

Mr Alston said: "Essex Police has a below average number of police officers and PCSOs given the size and population of our county, and the seventh lowest number of police staff.

"I believe that the majority of people in Essex will be prepared to pay a little more in council tax to help ensure that we have a strong police force.

"But of course I recognise that for some finding even this modest amount will be difficult."

 

Essex Police is facing £78million in cuts when comparing the amount it received from Government in 2010 to the amount the county will get for policing by 2016.

In 2014/15 the force has to find at least £8.4million in savings.

Essex taxpayers currently pay the fourth lowest out of the 35 shire police forces for the service.

The proposal will be presented to the Police and Crime Panel on Wednesday, January 29, in Chelmsford.

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9:33am Wed 22 Jan 14

oohlook says...

Im happy to pay a higher amount to support all of the emergency services. I dont agree with the government cuts and think the 'savings' could be handled better by central government by cutting aid elsewhere or ministers pay and expenses and its a disgrace our emergency services should suffer. The NHS has been in a downward spiral for several years while mps bury their heads. I want to ensure my family and community are safe so youve got my vote Nick Alston.
Im happy to pay a higher amount to support all of the emergency services. I dont agree with the government cuts and think the 'savings' could be handled better by central government by cutting aid elsewhere or ministers pay and expenses and its a disgrace our emergency services should suffer. The NHS has been in a downward spiral for several years while mps bury their heads. I want to ensure my family and community are safe so youve got my vote Nick Alston. oohlook
  • Score: -9

9:50am Wed 22 Jan 14

stevedawson says...

We will end up paying one way or other.the administration we are now under has caused all the problems.the old chestnut "look at the deficit we inherited"no party at the last election had a majority to lead,so why didn't they let Mr brown etc carry on.he wouldn't have made the hash this lot have.just wait until the bank rate jumps a couple of points.
We will end up paying one way or other.the administration we are now under has caused all the problems.the old chestnut "look at the deficit we inherited"no party at the last election had a majority to lead,so why didn't they let Mr brown etc carry on.he wouldn't have made the hash this lot have.just wait until the bank rate jumps a couple of points. stevedawson
  • Score: -18

10:09am Wed 22 Jan 14

Say It As It Is OK? says...

Policing should not be included in council taxes. What about all those who don't contribute towards paying any council tax. How are they going to pay for policing. Oh no they won't! No doubt they are happy to let the rest of us pay for a service they are happy to receive!

Bring on local taxation, linked to earnings, so every tax payer contributes to all these services that after all are there for all to use. Oh sorry that was what the Community charge was all about but was scrapped when the 'something for nothing brigade' were outraged and the revolting masses refused to contribute to any of the services they are happy to use.
Policing should not be included in council taxes. What about all those who don't contribute towards paying any council tax. How are they going to pay for policing. Oh no they won't! No doubt they are happy to let the rest of us pay for a service they are happy to receive! Bring on local taxation, linked to earnings, so every tax payer contributes to all these services that after all are there for all to use. Oh sorry that was what the Community charge was all about but was scrapped when the 'something for nothing brigade' were outraged and the revolting masses refused to contribute to any of the services they are happy to use. Say It As It Is OK?
  • Score: 3

10:26am Wed 22 Jan 14

Howard Cháse says...

Will we get more police officers and police stations open 24 hrs again?

Willwe get better response times and follow ups?
Will we get more police officers and police stations open 24 hrs again? Willwe get better response times and follow ups? Howard Cháse
  • Score: 17

10:27am Wed 22 Jan 14

disgusted of essex says...

I am certainly not prepared to accept an above inflation rise for Policing. We have all had to tighten our belts so should the Police.
I am certainly not prepared to accept an above inflation rise for Policing. We have all had to tighten our belts so should the Police. disgusted of essex
  • Score: 13

10:33am Wed 22 Jan 14

Jack222 says...

NO NO NO to the increase. With all our wages going down (or less than inflation if you like) how are we meant to find the money? Perhaps they should save money by removing the position of Police Commissioner?
NO NO NO to the increase. With all our wages going down (or less than inflation if you like) how are we meant to find the money? Perhaps they should save money by removing the position of Police Commissioner? Jack222
  • Score: 23

10:37am Wed 22 Jan 14

Jack222 says...

See the article in North Essex news about all the stuff the police have lost / stolen including -

POLICE in Essex have been the victims of 18 thefts from their vehicles in two years - including a £20,000 minibus stolen outside their HQ in Springfield.

In assume that the extra money he wants from us is because the police cant even look after their own equipment!!

NO to the extra money!!
See the article in North Essex news about all the stuff the police have lost / stolen including - POLICE in Essex have been the victims of 18 thefts from their vehicles in two years - including a £20,000 minibus stolen outside their HQ in Springfield. In assume that the extra money he wants from us is because the police cant even look after their own equipment!! NO to the extra money!! Jack222
  • Score: 13

11:04am Wed 22 Jan 14

maddriver says...

Why should Essex taxpayers pay more for the police? The Police and Crime Commissioner position is unnecessary and expensive. What exactly do police do these days? They no longer have to catch thieves, just issue a crime number for insurance purposes. Speeding motorists are dealt with by camera, motorway patrols are now the province of the Highways Agency. Patrols are carried out by powerless CPSOs. RTAs are only attended by police if there is physical harm, as are personal attacks. In short, the police are doing less and less, yet want more and more cash for administration.
Why should Essex taxpayers pay more for the police? The Police and Crime Commissioner position is unnecessary and expensive. What exactly do police do these days? They no longer have to catch thieves, just issue a crime number for insurance purposes. Speeding motorists are dealt with by camera, motorway patrols are now the province of the Highways Agency. Patrols are carried out by powerless CPSOs. RTAs are only attended by police if there is physical harm, as are personal attacks. In short, the police are doing less and less, yet want more and more cash for administration. maddriver
  • Score: 13

11:09am Wed 22 Jan 14

blockpaver says...

I’d willingly pay more for more police on the beat. However I do object to paying for the drunks in the town over the weekends, make the night-time economy part with more money to subsidise the tax payer for having to fork out to keep the peace between drunken louts in the town over the weekends.
I’d willingly pay more for more police on the beat. However I do object to paying for the drunks in the town over the weekends, make the night-time economy part with more money to subsidise the tax payer for having to fork out to keep the peace between drunken louts in the town over the weekends. blockpaver
  • Score: 8

11:34am Wed 22 Jan 14

GrumpyofLeigh says...

"equivalent to 57 officers"? Is the increase to fund, specifically, additional officers (in which case, fine) or will it just get lost in the overall pot?
"equivalent to 57 officers"? Is the increase to fund, specifically, additional officers (in which case, fine) or will it just get lost in the overall pot? GrumpyofLeigh
  • Score: 13

12:09pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Kim Gandy says...

I have mixed views about the police. In my view they are far too political and far too ready to listen to villains than victims.

There are things going on in this community that are an outrageous waste of taxpayers' money. Investigations that have no real purpose or foundation in the truth, while drug dealers, paedophiles and all other forms of lowlife scum go undetected.

The police need to be addressing genuine community concerns rather than listening to politicians moaning about other politicians. Far too much time is wasted taking notice of hate campaigns and targeting the wrong people.

They do not look at the REAL troublemakers behind a lot of the problems and tend to go for the easiest option. Decent ordinary people are often easier targets than going after the real horrors of society.

And political correctness reigns supreme. If you are a "minority" you are bound to be more favourably viewed. Dare to express a majority view and they jump on you.

When I see policing go back to its true tradition of bobbies on the beat, bobbies who know the community and its families and who are genuinely concerned for the safety of people rather than just fulfilling quotas, ticking boxes or fulfilling "criteria", the safer I shall feel.
I have mixed views about the police. In my view they are far too political and far too ready to listen to villains than victims. There are things going on in this community that are an outrageous waste of taxpayers' money. Investigations that have no real purpose or foundation in the truth, while drug dealers, paedophiles and all other forms of lowlife scum go undetected. The police need to be addressing genuine community concerns rather than listening to politicians moaning about other politicians. Far too much time is wasted taking notice of hate campaigns and targeting the wrong people. They do not look at the REAL troublemakers behind a lot of the problems and tend to go for the easiest option. Decent ordinary people are often easier targets than going after the real horrors of society. And political correctness reigns supreme. If you are a "minority" you are bound to be more favourably viewed. Dare to express a majority view and they jump on you. When I see policing go back to its true tradition of bobbies on the beat, bobbies who know the community and its families and who are genuinely concerned for the safety of people rather than just fulfilling quotas, ticking boxes or fulfilling "criteria", the safer I shall feel. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 0

12:24pm Wed 22 Jan 14

OMPITA [Intl] says...

Fact: There aren’t enough police resources to provide the level of service that the public expects.

Fact: A huge swathe of the public understandably resent the prospect of paying for more resources.

Then why don’t we extract more funding from other sources - like the criminals themselves - who are the cause so much of the expenditure in the first instance?

How about expanding the Victim Support Compensation Scheme to provide for some substantial and realistic payments towards paying for the Policing Service in order to help mitigate the burden on the Taxpayer?

Surely the Taxpayers who are squeezed to pay even more for the policing of criminal activities are as much victims as anyone else aren’t they?
Fact: There aren’t enough police resources to provide the level of service that the public expects. Fact: A huge swathe of the public understandably resent the prospect of paying for more resources. Then why don’t we extract more funding from other sources - like the criminals themselves - who are the cause so much of the expenditure in the first instance? How about expanding the Victim Support Compensation Scheme to provide for some substantial and realistic payments towards paying for the Policing Service in order to help mitigate the burden on the Taxpayer? Surely the Taxpayers who are squeezed to pay even more for the policing of criminal activities are as much victims as anyone else aren’t they? OMPITA [Intl]
  • Score: 8

12:44pm Wed 22 Jan 14

e5mitch says...

As the police reckon turning the street lights off reduces crime, they can use the extra money saved there!!
As the police reckon turning the street lights off reduces crime, they can use the extra money saved there!! e5mitch
  • Score: 1

1:04pm Wed 22 Jan 14

wormshero says...

I don't have a problem with an increase in line with inflation but don't think it should be increased higher than that at a time when people are struggling. I think there's laws which need changing really that'd reduce the cost on both the police and potentially the NHS. Firstly, when someone has been found to outstay their visa and are not granted asylum they should be deported at the nearest opportunity to avoid constantly spending money on pointless raids trying to find people etc. - cut the Border Police section and reallocate them onto local beats. Secondly legalise most currently illegal drugs; I know some people are against this, but it would free up police time to concentrate on violent crime etc (I'd rather have more people on the beat and investigating sexual assault, tbh), and would stop a large source of income for criminal gangs causing a lot of them to have no choice but to cease existing. Government controlled substances would also allow for testing which would stop deaths caused by dealers misselling with cheaper, more dangerous products, or 'legal highs' where effects are unknown, which would put less strain on the NHS. Basically I think the police should reprioritise and tackle crime that has an effect on people rather than just crime that doesn't really have a negative effect on anyone else. Kind of rediculous to read the other week that police were using resources on one end of the high street increasing drug searches when Queens Street is a hotspot for fights caused by drunk people. I'm sure there's more pointless crimes which are overly policed but personally I'm more worried about an increase of knife crime and an increase of articles about sexual assualt than fairly harmless crime.
I don't have a problem with an increase in line with inflation but don't think it should be increased higher than that at a time when people are struggling. I think there's laws which need changing really that'd reduce the cost on both the police and potentially the NHS. Firstly, when someone has been found to outstay their visa and are not granted asylum they should be deported at the nearest opportunity to avoid constantly spending money on pointless raids trying to find people etc. - cut the Border Police section and reallocate them onto local beats. Secondly legalise most currently illegal drugs; I know some people are against this, but it would free up police time to concentrate on violent crime etc (I'd rather have more people on the beat and investigating sexual assault, tbh), and would stop a large source of income for criminal gangs causing a lot of them to have no choice but to cease existing. Government controlled substances would also allow for testing which would stop deaths caused by dealers misselling with cheaper, more dangerous products, or 'legal highs' where effects are unknown, which would put less strain on the NHS. Basically I think the police should reprioritise and tackle crime that has an effect on people rather than just crime that doesn't really have a negative effect on anyone else. Kind of rediculous to read the other week that police were using resources on one end of the high street increasing drug searches when Queens Street is a hotspot for fights caused by drunk people. I'm sure there's more pointless crimes which are overly policed but personally I'm more worried about an increase of knife crime and an increase of articles about sexual assualt than fairly harmless crime. wormshero
  • Score: -4

3:48pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
I have mixed views about the police. In my view they are far too political and far too ready to listen to villains than victims.

There are things going on in this community that are an outrageous waste of taxpayers' money. Investigations that have no real purpose or foundation in the truth, while drug dealers, paedophiles and all other forms of lowlife scum go undetected.

The police need to be addressing genuine community concerns rather than listening to politicians moaning about other politicians. Far too much time is wasted taking notice of hate campaigns and targeting the wrong people.

They do not look at the REAL troublemakers behind a lot of the problems and tend to go for the easiest option. Decent ordinary people are often easier targets than going after the real horrors of society.

And political correctness reigns supreme. If you are a "minority" you are bound to be more favourably viewed. Dare to express a majority view and they jump on you.

When I see policing go back to its true tradition of bobbies on the beat, bobbies who know the community and its families and who are genuinely concerned for the safety of people rather than just fulfilling quotas, ticking boxes or fulfilling "criteria", the safer I shall feel.
Absolutely right Kim, all the usual perceived wisdom from my hero of the rabid right, it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is. It's not as if a black guy is over 30 times more likely to be stopped and searched in London than a white guy. No, they just worry about harassing people like me. You can't even smear 'go home' in excrement on an ethnics' car any more, without getting a visit from the cops. It's political correctness gone mad.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I have mixed views about the police. In my view they are far too political and far too ready to listen to villains than victims. There are things going on in this community that are an outrageous waste of taxpayers' money. Investigations that have no real purpose or foundation in the truth, while drug dealers, paedophiles and all other forms of lowlife scum go undetected. The police need to be addressing genuine community concerns rather than listening to politicians moaning about other politicians. Far too much time is wasted taking notice of hate campaigns and targeting the wrong people. They do not look at the REAL troublemakers behind a lot of the problems and tend to go for the easiest option. Decent ordinary people are often easier targets than going after the real horrors of society. And political correctness reigns supreme. If you are a "minority" you are bound to be more favourably viewed. Dare to express a majority view and they jump on you. When I see policing go back to its true tradition of bobbies on the beat, bobbies who know the community and its families and who are genuinely concerned for the safety of people rather than just fulfilling quotas, ticking boxes or fulfilling "criteria", the safer I shall feel.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right Kim, all the usual perceived wisdom from my hero of the rabid right, it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is. It's not as if a black guy is over 30 times more likely to be stopped and searched in London than a white guy. No, they just worry about harassing people like me. You can't even smear 'go home' in excrement on an ethnics' car any more, without getting a visit from the cops. It's political correctness gone mad. Mail Member 4 Colchester
  • Score: -3

4:05pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Jack222 says...

'When I see policing go back to its true tradition of bobbies on the beat, '

Bobbies on the beat are a waste of money - they should be doing something rather than a pleasant walk around the neighbourhood. It costs - with on cost - something like £50,000 a year for the normal policeman. I dont want that investment to just be having a pleasant time chatting to all the grannies....
'When I see policing go back to its true tradition of bobbies on the beat, ' Bobbies on the beat are a waste of money - they should be doing something rather than a pleasant walk around the neighbourhood. It costs - with on cost - something like £50,000 a year for the normal policeman. I dont want that investment to just be having a pleasant time chatting to all the grannies.... Jack222
  • Score: -15

4:34pm Wed 22 Jan 14

emcee says...

Would this money be earmarked for 57 "real" constables or does that number include PCSOs.
I would not mind if extra taxes were spent of fully functional PCs but I refuse to allow my taxes to be spent on PCSOs. They are an utter waste of resources.
However, having said that, I would rather Essex Police made sure there was zero wasteful spending (including the post of PCC) before going to the tax payer, cap in hand.
Would this money be earmarked for 57 "real" constables or does that number include PCSOs. I would not mind if extra taxes were spent of fully functional PCs but I refuse to allow my taxes to be spent on PCSOs. They are an utter waste of resources. However, having said that, I would rather Essex Police made sure there was zero wasteful spending (including the post of PCC) before going to the tax payer, cap in hand. emcee
  • Score: 8

4:47pm Wed 22 Jan 14

500000000000 says...

Yer like we pay for them in cractown station to sit on there backsides doing as little as possible, we pay to much for them thugs in uniform as it is
Yer like we pay for them in cractown station to sit on there backsides doing as little as possible, we pay to much for them thugs in uniform as it is 500000000000
  • Score: -7

5:50pm Wed 22 Jan 14

multitasker says...

Get rid of the Police Commissioner and go back to the way it was. The police have indeed tightened their belts a lot and it is ridiculous in this day and age that the government aren't giving more to the emergency services as they are all very much needed in the world we live in. the tax payers pay enough as it is and maybe some of the tax could be moved around not sitting in Council coffers and used for bloody stupid things. Some of you want to consider if you were assaulted or raped or burgled, the police do deal with these matters and god forbid if any of these ever happen to you, you will see what goes on with the police. As I initially said the PCC is a total and utter waste of money and has ruined police forces up and down the country, first port of call should be getting rid of these.
Get rid of the Police Commissioner and go back to the way it was. The police have indeed tightened their belts a lot and it is ridiculous in this day and age that the government aren't giving more to the emergency services as they are all very much needed in the world we live in. the tax payers pay enough as it is and maybe some of the tax could be moved around not sitting in Council coffers and used for bloody stupid things. Some of you want to consider if you were assaulted or raped or burgled, the police do deal with these matters and god forbid if any of these ever happen to you, you will see what goes on with the police. As I initially said the PCC is a total and utter waste of money and has ruined police forces up and down the country, first port of call should be getting rid of these. multitasker
  • Score: 9

5:52pm Wed 22 Jan 14

multitasker says...

5000000000000 I really hope you never need help from the police. You total and utter piloch
5000000000000 I really hope you never need help from the police. You total and utter piloch multitasker
  • Score: -3

6:22pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Nebs says...

Taking one consideration with another
A policeman's lot is not a happy one
Taking one consideration with another A policeman's lot is not a happy one Nebs
  • Score: 1

6:36pm Wed 22 Jan 14

James Harrington says...

multitasker wrote:
5000000000000 I really hope you never need help from the police. You total and utter piloch
Are you german? multitasker:

As for the post article, a cynical showboat completely coincidental to the reports that crime had fallen over 300% at christmas.
kavanagh is turning out to be the wrong man for the job. This is not the MET and certainly nothing like London.
As for Alston the days when his father was deputy chief in the county harks back to times when the service had nothing to shout about and even less so now.
This is a man of pedigree brought up in the realms of the middle class privilege, completely out of touch with the masses that one is supposed to represent and to serve.
I am starting to regret the 5 votes you had from us in our household.
Naval Officer that worked in whitehall for years, in the grey suited halls of intelligence, is certainly not showing much, in this issue, intelligence that is.
This extra money is going to prop up the silly and over exorbitant two thirds salary pension pot. Everyone knows the pension issue is a runaway train completely out of control.
The crime and detection figures are massaged to the point of hilarity. The London rags last week published articles stating that the figures were out of control.
Most cases of crime literally have to be handed to them on a plate, unless they are murders or misdemeanours of high publicity value then they are on to it with everything they can scrape together.
Cases they cannot get to grips with mainly due to political correctness, are placed on a back burner of local intelligence crime recording.
Some drug criminals have been getting away with repeat offences for over 30 years undetected!
The extra £5 per week is a cynical slap in the face, to the fact that Police can self levy after separating away from the county council budget.
It was supposed to be better for us those that collectively pay for it, not an easy street situation for them.
What is the answer to the problem? There is not one, if there was I am sure we would be paying a lot more than £5.
[quote][p][bold]multitasker[/bold] wrote: 5000000000000 I really hope you never need help from the police. You total and utter piloch[/p][/quote]Are you german? multitasker: As for the post article, a cynical showboat completely coincidental to the reports that crime had fallen over 300% at christmas. kavanagh is turning out to be the wrong man for the job. This is not the MET and certainly nothing like London. As for Alston the days when his father was deputy chief in the county harks back to times when the service had nothing to shout about and even less so now. This is a man of pedigree brought up in the realms of the middle class privilege, completely out of touch with the masses that one is supposed to represent and to serve. I am starting to regret the 5 votes you had from us in our household. Naval Officer that worked in whitehall for years, in the grey suited halls of intelligence, is certainly not showing much, in this issue, intelligence that is. This extra money is going to prop up the silly and over exorbitant two thirds salary pension pot. Everyone knows the pension issue is a runaway train completely out of control. The crime and detection figures are massaged to the point of hilarity. The London rags last week published articles stating that the figures were out of control. Most cases of crime literally have to be handed to them on a plate, unless they are murders or misdemeanours of high publicity value then they are on to it with everything they can scrape together. Cases they cannot get to grips with mainly due to political correctness, are placed on a back burner of local intelligence crime recording. Some drug criminals have been getting away with repeat offences for over 30 years undetected! The extra £5 per week is a cynical slap in the face, to the fact that Police can self levy after separating away from the county council budget. It was supposed to be better for us those that collectively pay for it, not an easy street situation for them. What is the answer to the problem? There is not one, if there was I am sure we would be paying a lot more than £5. James Harrington
  • Score: 12

7:19pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Maceric says...

I don't believe an increase in budget will lead to an increase in efficiency. In the villages we rarely see a policeman. Crimes do not seem to be investigated. the only contact we have with the police is through our PCSO who responds efficiently to requests. The police need to do the job they are paid for before asking for an increase from the hard-pressed population of Tendring.
I don't believe an increase in budget will lead to an increase in efficiency. In the villages we rarely see a policeman. Crimes do not seem to be investigated. the only contact we have with the police is through our PCSO who responds efficiently to requests. The police need to do the job they are paid for before asking for an increase from the hard-pressed population of Tendring. Maceric
  • Score: 4

9:57pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Jon-Vencato says...

You would be welcome to 10 times my Council Tax Charge or 100 Times the Police levy on the charge, if you would find and convict the idiots that have left my son in a partially brain damaged state.
Basically his life is ruined, it will take years to put him right.
You say you cannot do this or that, you have no evidence to issue warrants etc etc.
This is why people are loosing faith in the system.
Ask for more money that is fine and OK with me, but what will it achieve what are you going to do with it.
Will it make things better?
Have not we heard this all before?
jon
You would be welcome to 10 times my Council Tax Charge or 100 Times the Police levy on the charge, if you would find and convict the idiots that have left my son in a partially brain damaged state. Basically his life is ruined, it will take years to put him right. You say you cannot do this or that, you have no evidence to issue warrants etc etc. This is why people are loosing faith in the system. Ask for more money that is fine and OK with me, but what will it achieve what are you going to do with it. Will it make things better? Have not we heard this all before? jon Jon-Vencato
  • Score: 15

11:45pm Wed 22 Jan 14

500000000000 says...

multitasker wrote:
5000000000000 I really hope you never need help from the police. You total and utter piloch
Idiot yes I did need the police I pay for, several times they just made things worse , now I have lost my grandchild because of there lazy inept pedantic impotent thug like methods of policing so idiot "Go Forth And Multitask"
[quote][p][bold]multitasker[/bold] wrote: 5000000000000 I really hope you never need help from the police. You total and utter piloch[/p][/quote]Idiot yes I did need the police I pay for, several times they just made things worse , now I have lost my grandchild because of there lazy inept pedantic impotent thug like methods of policing so idiot "Go Forth And Multitask" 500000000000
  • Score: 4

11:39am Thu 23 Jan 14

Meherenow says...

Firstly, get rid of the Police Commissioner role and save many thousands straight away - it was a needless function to start with. Secondly, police costs should be funded by central government and NOT county councils. Thirdly, policing would be made more effective if criminals were locked up and not freed to cause extra police work. Fourthly, I was not aware we had a police presence in Maldon as the police station is part time and we never see police on the streets - only in supermarket car parks presumably buying refreshments?
Firstly, get rid of the Police Commissioner role and save many thousands straight away - it was a needless function to start with. Secondly, police costs should be funded by central government and NOT county councils. Thirdly, policing would be made more effective if criminals were locked up and not freed to cause extra police work. Fourthly, I was not aware we had a police presence in Maldon as the police station is part time and we never see police on the streets - only in supermarket car parks presumably buying refreshments? Meherenow
  • Score: 8

1:03pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Chris158 says...

Why is there a need for a Police and Crime Commissioner with such a high wage for himself and his staff. This is a person with no knowledge of actual Police work. Prior to this we had County Councillors who had been elected by the population of Essex doing the job and we did not have these sorts of problems. Mr Alston was only elected by approx 15% of the voters in Essex, now he gets a wage above 100K and wants the taxpayers to pay more !!!
Why is there a need for a Police and Crime Commissioner with such a high wage for himself and his staff. This is a person with no knowledge of actual Police work. Prior to this we had County Councillors who had been elected by the population of Essex doing the job and we did not have these sorts of problems. Mr Alston was only elected by approx 15% of the voters in Essex, now he gets a wage above 100K and wants the taxpayers to pay more !!! Chris158
  • Score: 9

10:43pm Thu 23 Jan 14

peersonalmedia says...

Its a scandalous that this government is hitting our Emergency Services, Armed Forces and alike with such severe cuts to breaking point, all of which, us, the general public rely on. Yes these services should tighten their belts like the rest of us but not hit to the severity being seen.

We must remember not to knock the Police Officers/PCSOs and Police staff, our emergency services, in such times, as they too pay taxes and as a result of austerity measures are too experiencing the same pain as us all. The work like we all do and too many are too quick to make assumptions of what they do or do not do. Does anyone know what you've done/achieved today at work? - no!. Too many are quick to criticise and make uneducated, flippant judgements and if I worked for such an authority and such received negative assumptions/comments it would do much for my moral that I am sure!. .

From my understanding the amount equates to £5 extra a year (the price of your lunch) which I am more than happy to pay for where the Police Service is concerned and again the Police personnel themselves too are paying this extra in their taxes (though I'm sure like many they have not seen pay increment/cost of living increases over recent years).

Again, in my opinion, it is this government that is the cause of such issues, hitting ridiculously severe cuts to our emergency services, so much so, they are at breaking point.
Its a scandalous that this government is hitting our Emergency Services, Armed Forces and alike with such severe cuts to breaking point, all of which, us, the general public rely on. Yes these services should tighten their belts like the rest of us but not hit to the severity being seen. We must remember not to knock the Police Officers/PCSOs and Police staff, our emergency services, in such times, as they too pay taxes and as a result of austerity measures are too experiencing the same pain as us all. The work like we all do and too many are too quick to make assumptions of what they do or do not do. Does anyone know what you've done/achieved today at work? - no!. Too many are quick to criticise and make uneducated, flippant judgements and if I worked for such an authority and such received negative assumptions/comments it would do much for my moral that I am sure!. . From my understanding the amount equates to £5 extra a year (the price of your lunch) which I am more than happy to pay for where the Police Service is concerned and again the Police personnel themselves too are paying this extra in their taxes (though I'm sure like many they have not seen pay increment/cost of living increases over recent years). Again, in my opinion, it is this government that is the cause of such issues, hitting ridiculously severe cuts to our emergency services, so much so, they are at breaking point. peersonalmedia
  • Score: -1

8:28am Fri 24 Jan 14

Colossus* says...

We must remember not to knock the Police Officers/PCSOs and Police staff, our emergency services, in such times, as they too pay taxes and as a result of austerity measures are too experiencing the same pain as us all.
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I would like to take the above posters remark up on public sector paying taxes too
This is an old chestnut that really grits me: The phsycology is quite relative and simple when I hear this time and again it does beg belief what planet some people come from.
When you offer offer your labours to the Public Sector in any body that is just what it is.
You are recompensed via the time trouble and effort that the person puts into their work.
Generally you got to work in an established body do your thing and go home you get sick pay holidays flexi time maternity goodies the whole 9 yards.
The rank and file of the working sector these days is the Self Employed like me.
I get nothing no sick pay, no holiday pay, no maternity money we have no children, if i'm out of work through injury which is common in the North Sea i get £71 per week for 13 weeks.
Most self employed like most of my family have to go out and look for their own work, they create the opportunity, they sell themselves, they cultivate the business and they obtain the monies by very effort which is 100 times harder than working for the Public Sector.
I have said it for years the Police should be exempt from paying the Police portion of the council charge..
In that way they do not contribute to their own salaries and they might be a little more amiable and sympathetic to members of the public that DO pay the Police levy on the council tax charge.
This old chestnut of we pay taxes TOO does not wash it never has. Most Public Sector jobs is Money For Old Rope.
More people have been killed in the North Sea than any other working area in the last 40 years next to the armed forces.
I am fed up with public sector bods saying im fed up with this government I want a pay rise.
I would also like to know how many of them are married to Public Sector spouses ie Double Bubble. There should be a survey to see how many Doctors are married to other doctors or nurses, how Police Officers are married to other cops or civilian staff. Teachers marrying Teachers etc.
Since 2008 I have seen a terrible situation where the rank and file of the general workers have had savage reductions in their life styles, yet the Public Sector still have had their holidays, their cars, their fancy new cardboard homes, they eat out all the time and have a care free existence knowing there is a gold plated pension at the end of it.
When you say they pay into the system, I think you will find they get back back a lot more than they put in, a LOT more.
We must remember not to knock the Police Officers/PCSOs and Police staff, our emergency services, in such times, as they too pay taxes and as a result of austerity measures are too experiencing the same pain as us all. ____________________ _________________ I would like to take the above posters remark up on public sector paying taxes too This is an old chestnut that really grits me: The phsycology is quite relative and simple when I hear this time and again it does beg belief what planet some people come from. When you offer offer your labours to the Public Sector in any body that is just what it is. You are recompensed via the time trouble and effort that the person puts into their work. Generally you got to work in an established body do your thing and go home you get sick pay holidays flexi time maternity goodies the whole 9 yards. The rank and file of the working sector these days is the Self Employed like me. I get nothing no sick pay, no holiday pay, no maternity money we have no children, if i'm out of work through injury which is common in the North Sea i get £71 per week for 13 weeks. Most self employed like most of my family have to go out and look for their own work, they create the opportunity, they sell themselves, they cultivate the business and they obtain the monies by very effort which is 100 times harder than working for the Public Sector. I have said it for years the Police should be exempt from paying the Police portion of the council charge.. In that way they do not contribute to their own salaries and they might be a little more amiable and sympathetic to members of the public that DO pay the Police levy on the council tax charge. This old chestnut of we pay taxes TOO does not wash it never has. Most Public Sector jobs is Money For Old Rope. More people have been killed in the North Sea than any other working area in the last 40 years next to the armed forces. I am fed up with public sector bods saying im fed up with this government I want a pay rise. I would also like to know how many of them are married to Public Sector spouses ie Double Bubble. There should be a survey to see how many Doctors are married to other doctors or nurses, how Police Officers are married to other cops or civilian staff. Teachers marrying Teachers etc. Since 2008 I have seen a terrible situation where the rank and file of the general workers have had savage reductions in their life styles, yet the Public Sector still have had their holidays, their cars, their fancy new cardboard homes, they eat out all the time and have a care free existence knowing there is a gold plated pension at the end of it. When you say they pay into the system, I think you will find they get back back a lot more than they put in, a LOT more. Colossus*
  • Score: 5

8:57am Fri 24 Jan 14

stevedawson says...

Well colossus if you can't beat em and the jobs are so rosey when you are so hard done by and bitter.why not join them.
Well colossus if you can't beat em and the jobs are so rosey when you are so hard done by and bitter.why not join them. stevedawson
  • Score: -2

9:47pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Colossus* says...

stevedawson wrote:
Well colossus if you can't beat em and the jobs are so rosey when you are so hard done by and bitter.why not join them.
I dont think there is much call for Divers in the Councils or public sector, unless its for MUFF?
[quote][p][bold]stevedawson[/bold] wrote: Well colossus if you can't beat em and the jobs are so rosey when you are so hard done by and bitter.why not join them.[/p][/quote]I dont think there is much call for Divers in the Councils or public sector, unless its for MUFF? Colossus*
  • Score: 2

9:18pm Sun 26 Jan 14

jut1972 says...

Where are the 57 to be based? Spread based on population or will they be wherever Mr Alston and the board live?
Where are the 57 to be based? Spread based on population or will they be wherever Mr Alston and the board live? jut1972
  • Score: 2

7:43pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Cheesed off Tax Payer says...

Here's an idea to save putting police cost of council tax up. Do away with the police commissioner.
I never thought such a post was needed.
What we need are police on the beat and detectives solving crime. NOT pen pushers.
Here's an idea to save putting police cost of council tax up. Do away with the police commissioner. I never thought such a post was needed. What we need are police on the beat and detectives solving crime. NOT pen pushers. Cheesed off Tax Payer
  • Score: 1

7:44pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Cheesed off Tax Payer says...

Here's an idea to save putting police cost of council tax up. Do away with the police commissioner POST I should have said..
I never thought such a post was needed.
What we need are police on the beat and detectives solving crime. NOT pen pushers.
Here's an idea to save putting police cost of council tax up. Do away with the police commissioner POST I should have said.. I never thought such a post was needed. What we need are police on the beat and detectives solving crime. NOT pen pushers. Cheesed off Tax Payer
  • Score: 1

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